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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ilaine who wrote (18609)10/23/2001 10:57:11 AM
From: sandintoes  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
It is a tolerant religion

That's what they are trying to say about bin Laden's religion...

I still won't get on a plane with one on his head.



To: Ilaine who wrote (18609)10/23/2001 3:04:47 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
Hi CB...do you know the difference in religion in the way they wear the turbans?.... Or is there a link someplace that would help understand the custom?



To: Ilaine who wrote (18609)10/23/2001 3:18:37 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 59480
 
Found an answer and some links re turbans......

Turbans and pictures of them:

seattletimes.nwsource.com

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 05:17 p.m. Pacific

Understanding turbans: Don't link them to terrorism

By Eli Sanders
Seattle Times staff reporter

America is not a country where the majority of people wrap their skulls in cloth before heading out of the house. Perhaps that explains the current confusion over turbans.

In many regions of the globe, swaddling the head in fabric is simply a natural response to the scorching heat and dust. Scholars believe it was an ancient people living under a merciless sun who first invented the turban.

Understanding turbans

Like other types of clothing, the turban means different things depending on who is wearing it and how it is worn. Times artist Paul Schmid illustrates several varieties.


But in the wake of recent terrorist attacks, the turban, originally a practical idea for protection, has become a symbol many Americans associate with terrorists.

In SeaTac last week, a man was charged with attacking a turban-wearing Sikh cab driver, calling him a "butcher terrorist." In Seattle, a man was arrested after he allegedly tried to choke a Sikh, telling him, "You have no right to attack our country." In Arizona, a man shot a Sikh gas-station owner to death, later explaining to authorities: "I'm a patriot."

Hundreds of other assaults on Sikhs have been reported across the country, a trend that strikes many as bizarrely misguided.

Yes, Sikhs wear turbans. But they have no connection to the Islamic extremists now wanted by the U.S.

Rather, Sikhs are members of the world's fifth-largest religion, which traces its roots to northern India and espouses egalitarianism.

President Bush describes the new American enemy as shadowy and hard to find, which may explain why some Americans are grasping for a way to identify terrorists. But equating the ancient headgear with terrorism shows how little is known about turbans.

Lesson No. 1: All turbans are not the same. Fabric headwraps and headcoverings are common in a wide swath of the world, from North Africa across the Middle East and into Central Asia. At times, turbans have even been found on the heads of fashion-conscious Europeans and atop the craniums of American pop-culture icons.

Like other types of clothing, the turban means different things depending on who is wearing it and how it is worn. To see every turban-wearer as a terrorist is like assuming every person who wears shoes is a criminal.

Describing a turban

A turban is a very long and narrow piece of cloth — 12 feet is not an unusual length — made of cotton, silk or synthetics. It is wound around the head and held on by its own tension, gravity or a chin strap.

The English word turban is believed to have come from the Persian word dulband — a word which is also thought to be the etymological predecessor of "tulip" and of the Spanish word for hammerhead shark, torbandalo.

Though no one knows exactly when and where the turban originated, carvings left by the Assyrians, who lived 3,000 years ago in the area that is now Iraq, show turbans on the heads of kings.

That means that before there was Islam, or even Christianity, there were turbans.

It also means that by 1000 B.C.E., the turban had evolved from a strictly utilitarian piece of clothing into something used to connote nobility and power.

The turban is like other pieces of fashion in this way, said Brannon Wheeler, associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Washington.

Just as shoes evolved from a practical foot covering into an item of clothing that reveals a person's class and origins, so turbans evolved from a simple head covering into something that identifies people along cultural, religious, political and social lines.

Those seem to be distinctions many are unaware of. John Cooksey, a Republican congressman from Louisiana, recently offered this suggestion for weeding out terrorists: "If I see someone come in and he's got a diaper on his head and a fanbelt wrapped around the diaper on his head, that guy needs to be pulled over and checked."

Cooksey later apologized, saying he was referring only to Osama bin Laden, but clearly the way he described the offending headgear shows a lack of turban savvy. In the picture of bin Laden posted on the FBI's Most Wanted list, the fugitive Saudi millionaire is wearing a white cloth turban wrapped in a circular, spiraling fashion.

This is not the type of headcovering that requires what Cooksey called a "fan belt" — a thick black cord known to people in the Middle East as an ekal. The ekal is used to hold on a kaffiyeh, the patterned headcovering made famous by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

Kaffiyehs are worn by men in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Arab Persian Gulf states. They are rectangular pieces of cloth folded diagonally and draped over the head. And technically, they're not even turbans.

Links to hostage crisis

The American tendency to link turbans with terrorism may stem from the Iran hostage crisis, with its images of Ayatollah Khomeni and his black turban. But in most of the Muslim world, the wearing of a turban symbolizes simply religious or political power.

Many Muslim spiritual leaders wear a white turban wrapped around a spherical or conical hat known as a kalansuwa. But, cautioned UW history professor Frank Conlon, "Not all Muslims wear turbans, and not all people who wear turbans are Muslim."

In the past, emperors and leaders have worn grand turbans with feathers and jewels added as flourishes. Today, in rural regions from North Africa to India, poor farmers and nomadic people of various religions cover their heads with simple turbans, the colors and styles of which sometimes identify them as members of a particular tribe or community.

And turbans have uses beyond the obvious. In Morocco, old men have been known to store money in the folds of their turbans. In the desert, turbans are wrapped around the face and used as a protective gauze to keep blowing sand out of the eyes. Before there were police and handcuffs, legend has it that turbans were used to tie up captured enemies.

These days, in more cosmopolitan and urban areas of the Middle East, the turban is a bit out of vogue, seen as a relic of the past by young people clamoring for the styles of the West.

At the same time, in the U.S., the turban has been embraced among some African Americans, who see it as an Afrocentric fashion. Soul singer Erykah Badu, for example, has often worn a towering turban.

Not a good indicator

The irony of the American focus on turbans in the wake of the terrorist attacks is that, at least in this country, turbans are a very poor predictor of a person's involvement in terrorist violence.

"Needless to say," said Ellis Goldberg, head of the Middle East studies center at the UW, "none of [the hijackers] was wearing any type of turban."

seattletimes.nwsource.com



To: Ilaine who wrote (18609)11/1/2001 6:26:21 PM
From: greenspirit  Respond to of 59480
 
Hey CB, remember the petition you wrote to send to our representatives. Well....I finally heard back from one. I don't think she would mind if I posted her response. The funny thing is, I don't believe I even discussed any concerns about the price of oil?

Oh well, at least she or one of her aids took the time to respond.

Dear Mr. Cummings:

Thank you for contacting me about oil prices and production in the wake of the recent terrorist attacks. I appreciate your comments about this issue. At this difficult time, I want to assure you that I will weigh every decision carefully to ensure that each is made with our national security and the best interests of the American people in mind.

The involvement of Middle East terrorists in the recent attacks on the United States and our military response in Afghanistan have raised concerns that oil production in the region might somehow be affected.

Concerns about supply disruptions immediately after September 11 resulted in an initial rise in crude oil prices. After hitting a peak of $31 a barrel in the wake of the terrorist attacks in the United, prices have plummeted to near $20 as the current world economic downturn has lowered demand. The slide in oil prices promises to translate into cheaper gasoline.

Economists predict that, since demand is slowing in every energy category -- including heating oil and jet fuel -- and gasoline inventories are growing so fast, prices at the pump will continue to drop through the end of the year. As a result, economists further predict, this will add
$13 billion in purchasing power to the U.S. economy.

I firmly believe that our long-term energy security depends upon crafting a deliberate, comprehensive strategy that recognizes the need for increased supply of cleaner, more efficient energy coupled with fuel diversity, energy efficiency, and distributed generation. It is only
through a strong, 21st century energy policy that our nation can meet its long-term energy needs. As a member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, I will fight for this strategy.

Rest assured, I recognize your concerns about oil production and prices, and will keep them in mind as the Senate considers legislation affecting oil prices. Oil production, infrastructure, electricity, and creating more domestic energy sources are likely to be the main issues debated during the Senate mark-up of the comprehensive energy bill.

I am proud of all of the American citizens who have banded together and volunteered to help during this time of great tragedy. Following that example, I will continue to work with my colleagues in the Senate in a unified manner to support the President and his efforts. For updated
information on Congressional activities, including legislation, please visit thomas.loc.gov. Also, please feel free to view my remarks made on the Senate floor as well as information on how to volunteer or donate your time, resources, or blood, on my website at

cantwell.senate.gov.
Sincerely,

Maria Cantwell
United States Senator