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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (7234)	10/24/2001 2:34:22 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "Carl, one of the sticky points I still take away from these verses of Quran is that while the faithful should honor their treaties while they last, it is not permitted to make permanent treaties with the infidel." Not being Islamic, I don't know the details of this restriction. My total guess is that it's because only Allah is allowed to promise things "forever". Certainly this restriction has never been a problem for Moslem states to make treaties in the past, and being a fan of early U.S. naval combat I can provide proof: ... There shall be from the conclusion of this Treaty, a firm, perpetual, inviolable and universal peace and friendship between the President and Citizens of the United States of America on the one part, and the Dey and subjects of the Regency of Algiers in Barbary on the other, made by the free consent of both parties, and on the terms of the most favoured Nations ... yale.edu Re: "Which is why Palestinian comparisons between the Oslo framework and the Treaty of Qubbaiya never gave me a warm feeling. The Treaty of Qubbaiya was a very temporary truce." In a way, all treaties are temporary things, and only last as long as they are somehow useful to both parties. They always promise eternal peace and friendship, but somehow in the fullness of time, it sometimes doesn't come to pass. For example (LOL!!!): Treaty of Westphalia; October 24, 1648 In the name of the most holy and individual Trinity ... ... That there shall be a Christian and Universal Peace, and a perpetual, true, and sincere Amity ... yale.edu In order for there to be lasting peace in the Middle East an agreement or situation has to be created where it better for people to keep the peace than to break it. Certainly a peace which is entered into with the expectation that it will only be temporary will be more likely to be broken, but do note that while the Treaty of Westphalia (among Christian nations) didn't last, the peace between Algiers (a Moslem nation) and the United States is still strong after 185 years. In other words, "Moslem" doesn't have anything to do with whether peace is permanent or not. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel years ago, isn't it still operative? -- Carl