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To: E. Charters who wrote (78820)	10/24/2001 9:55:14 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

Come on, 30 lbs of burned bones in a body?, since the dry matter is 4% in a human being (your own number), a person with 30 lbs of bones would weigh, 30 times 25 or 750 lbs, come on, that is what I termed a "Lie". I am not even going to go through the rest of your argument. No one is claiming that all 6 MM Jewish victims of Germany's shame were gassed and cremated, in the Wannsee conference they debated the methods of extermination, when debating the "Final solution of the Jewish Question", the leading "solution" was evacuate "them" to camps in the east, some would be exterminated outright (later known as the "selection process", the other be organized into "labor battalions ("Arbeit Macht Frei"), making sure that exhaustive work with meager food would ultimately spell death. The principal work of a portion of those would be to "dispose" of those dying first. You are absolutely right, there were more than one way devised to kill a Jew. My own mother was sent in September 1944 from Brussels to Auschwitz, I know for a fact she was not gassed nor cremated, her train never arrived there (yes they did document the shipments arriving), they were, presumably downloaded and shot on the way, but no one knows for sure. Zeev

To: E. Charters who wrote (78820)	10/24/2001 11:57:50 AM
From: Gord Bolton	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116753

I think that the important point to gather from all of this is that war is hell for all concerned. At the end of WWII there were several millions of Germans missing and unaccounted for as well. German authorities asked the Americans what had happened to these people. The American reply was, "Why don't you ask the Russians?" These particular folks did not dissappear in Russian controlled territory. People disappeared there as well but there was little doubt about how or why that happened. The fact is that the Allies advanced very rapidly across France and Germany. They had little time or ability to build and manage containment facilities and they could not destroy vital infrastructure and rebuild it the same day. War does not work that way. And of course there were always unintended consequences. Example. Canadian soldiers "liberated" thousands of Russian POW soldiers from a Nazi prision camp. After being liberated the Russian soldiers would not take shelter in the buildings of the camp. They had no where else to go. So they sat outside exposed to the elements and perished from exposure before arrangements could be made to transport them to their lines which were on the other side of German controlled territory. The logistics and resources to deal with all the victims in Europe were simply absent. The convoys of food and supplies did not arrive with the first wave of tanks and infantry. The supply lines were stretched to the limits and the soldiers themselves had to live off the land in many cases. Civilians in Britian were on strict rations for much of the war. I think that it would be safe to say that many millions in Europe died as a result of neglect and lack of resources caused by the war. It is easy to blame Nazis, Russians, renegade commanders or one or more officers for attrocities. The reality is that war and circumstances resulting from war cause attrocities. Picture this. You are the officer in charge and responsible for the lives of 2000 soldiers on the front lines of a volitile battlefield. Your unit brilliantly captures 500 enemy soldiers. You contact headquarters to report the event and the fact that many are sick or critically injured. Your orders for the day. March prisioners 50 miles to designated containment facility "F" and have your unit at strength and prepared to assault hill 500 at 11:00 hours. The hill must be taken by 16:00 hours and held. Have a nice day. The realities of war are very ugly. Once engaged the choices are often betwen bad and worse. It would be much preferable to spend much more on diplomacy, aid and mutual understanding. It is probably an appropriate time to consider what sacrifices we are prepared to make in our civilian lives to make the world a safer place.