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To: Sultan who wrote (211)	10/24/2001 1:24:37 PM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 2926

Sultan, Thanks for your post and the references to the other URL's. I particularly enjoyed " A WASTED PILGRIMAGE" The comments from the other post were very valid, also. Maybe we need series of Boards with titles like: -- Horrors perpetrated in the name of Jesus -- Horrors perpetrated in the name of Mohammed -- Horrors perpetrated in the name of the Buddha and so on...... As far as I am concerned, EVERY religion has its fair share of folklore, ethnic curiosity, myth, misquoted precepts, total BS, AND esoteric Wisdom. In times of war and strife the leaders generaly resort to DEMONIZATION of the enemy. "these guys are sub-human beasts............etc" The horror story part of what has been done under the NAME of the associated religion is great fuel for the demonization process. Anyway, Sultan, stick around. We need you here! Namaste! Jim

To: Sultan who wrote (211)	10/25/2001 6:34:25 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Respond to of 2926

Sultan, You said, "Reading Qu'ran without context and quoting Suras would be no different then quoting Bible where one could find equal number of revelations that would throw one out of sync.. A point made quite effectively by this person.." Respectfully, this person who wrote this post, has obviously not studied the scripture deeply enough. The post is unsubstantiated. And your statement about quoting the Qu'ran out of context, if you read my posts on this thread, is not what I have done. In fact, I have gone out of my way to quote them in context. If you study Islam and its teachings, it clearly violent and open ended. Violence for Islam is called for today. As for Christianity, the bible has violence in it, no doubt about it, but is close ended to a specific place, time and people. And pretty localized to the Old Testament, not the New. It was called for in accomplishing God's plan, especially for the Jewish people and Israel. (And if you study Old Testament history, all the violence had a purpose and a good reason behind it.) Once Israel was established, it pretty much evaporates. There is no open ended violence in it, under any interpretation, for today (except for punishments and defending yourself). God's plan, in order to be accomplished, had to have Israel established. But afterward, it preaches love and peace and has no comparable open ended violence as Islam. I would be willing to defend my statements, as I have studied both. I have touched on the Islamic side of this many times on this thread. So just because someone says there is violence in all religions, and its a interpretive matter, doesn't make it so. It usually is the unstudied that have opinions such as this posted one, in my humble opinion. I find this opinion of violence in all religions, based on interpretation non-credible! Jesus said: Matthew 5 38 "You have heard that it was said, `Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. .... 43 "You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you That's Christianity, straight from Christ's mouth.... IGIT