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To: Liatris Spicata who wrote (7360)10/24/2001 6:19:07 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
" Bilow- OT-

I salute you as a gentleman and even give you a nod as a scholar! Believe me, I have plenty of experience on SI with people who, even when challenged reasonably cordially, become highly irrational and malicious when their sacred cows get tarnished."


Apparently you are not familiar with bilow as your little ditty above is but one example of his antics on SI. Oh, and I'm not speaking to the gentleman & scholar stuff. Gentlemen & scholars aren't blatant liars, manipulators of the truth & they certainly don't indulge in viscous personal attacks against those who don't agree with them...... bilow does this all too often. He's even had the honor of being suspended multiple times from posting on SI due to his lack of honesty &/or civility. I've found that bilow doesn't care much for facts, the truth nor accuracy when spewing his view on an issue. And he doesn't hesitate to indulge in personal attacks with those who disagree with him & he saves his worst venom for those who expose him with facts, truth & reality.

JMHO from regular personal observation over an extended period of time.



To: Liatris Spicata who wrote (7360)10/25/2001 3:45:18 AM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Larry T. Sherwood; Interesting story. A quick google search brought up this:

<pre
In the Young Irish disorders, in Ireland in 1848 the following nine men
were captured, tried and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the
Queen, and were sentenced to death. John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat
Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman,
Terrence McManus and Michael Ireland.

Before passing sentence, the judge asked if there was anything that
anyone wished to say. Meagher, speaking for all, said:
"My lord, this is our first offense, but not our last. If you will be
easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do
better next time. And next time ---sure we won't be fools to get caught."
Thereupon the indignant judge sentenced them all to be hanged by the neck
until dead and drawn and quartered. Passionate protest from the world
forced Queen Victoria to commute the sentence to transportation for life to
far away wild Australia.

In 1874, word reached the astounded Queen Victoria that Sir Charles Duffy
who had been elected Premier of the colony of Victoria, Australia was the
same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's
demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and
this is what was uncovered:

Thomas Francis Meagher Brigadier General, United States Army
and Governor of Montana.
Terrence McManus Brigadier General, United States Army.
Patrick Donahue Brigadier General, United States Army.
Richard O'Gorman Governor General of Newfoundland.
Morris Lyene Attorney General of Australia, in which office
Michael Ireland succeeded him.
Thomas D'Arcy McGee Member of Parliament, Montreal,
Minister of Agriculture and
President Council, Dominion of Canada.
John Mitchell A prominent New York politician.
This man was the father of
John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York City
at the outbreak of World War I .

* The story of Richard O'Gorman is not quite complete from the above.
There was a Catholic priest named Father Michael Meehan in the mid-1800's,
who was a patriot and supporter of Daniel O'Connell. In 1846, he was given a
parish and sent to America to raise money for a church. When he returned,
his flock was being devastated by the Great Hunger. And so, Fr. Michael
elected to not use the funds he had raised for a new church. Instead, he
built a little carriage with an altar on it, and rode around to his
parishioners to bring them the sacraments. It was called "The Ark of
Kilbaha". After mass, there would be a collection in reverse, and each of
the faithful were given enough money to keep body and soul together.

These events led him to support the Young Ireland movement which was
more militant than O'Connell. When the trials of the Young Ireland movement
took place, Richard O'Gorman was tried in absentia. He went into hiding, and
nne knew where to find him. Fr. Michael, at around this time, took up the
hobby of rowing a little row boat out into the mouth of the sea. As each
evening approached, it became customary to see Fr. Michael row out to the
mouth of the sea, and then row back.

One night, O'Gorman was apparently stowed away on the little boat,
and the row boat made a rendezvous with a sea-going ship which was headed to
the Dardenelles. From there, O'Gorman eventually got safe passage to Canada.
The story remained a mystery until an anonymous source related the story in
an American newspaper - some twenty years later.

I hope some of this is of interest.

Ted Meehan</pre
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-- Carl

P.S. Like any outspoken long time poster on SI, I have my share of people who follow me around and accuse me of ridiculous crimes. wstera_02 is a supporter of Rambus, and he once "made a career out of successfully exposing fraud" (See #reply-15798290 ). Rambus filed a patent lawsuit against Infineon, but the resulting court decision went against them, and they now stand convicted of fraud and owe millions of dollars. I suppose that somehow wstera_02 missed this particular fraud. I am a long time detractor of the company, and this is what brought me to wstera_02's attention. A good place to read the fascinating history of Rambus' shenanigans is this shareholder class action lawsuit filed against them after they were ordered to pay their opponents legal expenses. If you liked Bleak House and computers, you'll think this is a riot:
milberg.com



To: Liatris Spicata who wrote (7360)11/5/2001 8:50:35 AM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Larry T. Sherwood; Re recent brutality of Christian nations, as compared to Moslem. (I think this is skirting the line of off/on topic, but will hopefully be of enough interest to avoid FaultLine's whip.)

From a history of sports in Britain:

Meanwhile, London’s lower classes flocked to witness swordfights which were often inelegantly bloody affairs. In June of 1663, Pepys went to see the fencers at the Royal Theatre in Drury Lane and found “a woeful rabble” whose noise made “my head ake all this evening.” 62 In 1705, Thomas Brown graphically described an exhibition at the “Bear-garden”:

Seats fill’d and crowded by Two: Drums beat, Dogs yelp,
Butchers and Footsoldiers clatter their Sticks: At last the
two Heroes in their fine borrow’d Holland shirts, mount the
Stage about Three; Cut large Collops out of one another to
divert the Mob, and make Work for the Suregeons: Smoaking,
Swearing, Drinking, Thrusting, Justling, Elbowing, Sweating,
Kicking, Cuffing, Stinking, all the while the Company stays.63

...
The German visitor Charles Louis von Poellnitz noted that spectators cheered when wounds were inflicted.69 The same custom was noticed by the French traveler Antoine Prévost, when, a few years later, he visited James Figg’s famous establishment, the boastfully named “Amphitheatre,” opened in 1743. Prévost and a crowd seated in banks that reached to the vaulted roof witnessed cudgeling, fistfighting, wrestling, and - finally - a combat with sabres. When the redoubtable Figg sliced off part of his opponent’s calf, the crowd shouted, “bravo, bravo, ancora, ancora.”70
...
There is plenty of evidence that lower-class women were present at eighteenth century combat sports and that they were a hardy lot. Uffenbach reported that an “Englishman sitting behind us, who had probably drunk a considerable amount, was making a vast uproar and throwing down whole handfuls of shillings. His wife, who was sitting with him, was also rather vociferous.”73 In one of the finest of Rowlandson’s prints, The Prize Fight (1787), which probably portrays the 1786 bout between Richard Humphries and Samuel Martin, a few tubby females appear among the generally nondescript spectators.
...
The vociferous wife whom Uffenbach met assured him “that two years ago she had fought another female in this place without stays and in nothing but a shift. They had both fought stoutly and drawn blood, which was apparently no new sight in England.”74 Apparently not. César de Saussure reported a bout between an Englishwoman and an Irishwoman, probably the one publicized in Mist’s Journal for November 20, 1725, and the Guide des Etrangers (1729) refers to “Amazones intrépides.”75 Saussure says that “il est rare de voir deux femmes faire les gladiateurs” and Prévost remarks that crowds were large because women’s matches were rare, but James Peller Malcolm’s Anecdotes of the Manners and Customs of London notes instances of female pugilists at Hockley in the Hole and what can only be referred to as “mixed doubles” at Figg’s Amphitheatre, where Robert Barker and Mary Webb fought James Stokes and Elizabeth Wilkinson .76 The most vivid account of female pugilism may well be from the memoirs of the late eighteenth century rake, William Hickey. At Wetherby’s near Drury Lane, he went slumming and found two women engaged in a scratching and boxing match, their faces entirely covered with blood, bosoms bare, and the clothes nearly torn from their bodies. For several minutes not a creature interfered between them, or seemed to care a straw what mishap they might do each other, and the contest went on with unabated fury. Neither the men nor the women present, “promiscuously mounted upon chairs, tables, and benches,” objected to the “unladylike” brawl. Hickey, who might be best characterized as a deviant middle-class rake, reveals considerable ambivalence about the thrillingly unsavory spectacle.77

As the variety of combats carried out at Hockley in the Hole and in Figg’s Amphitheatre proves, there was no clear demarcation from the days of cudgel and sword to the era of the fist. Figg the swordsman and stickfighter became Figg the pugilist who then reappeared with his trusty cudgel.
...
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-- Carl