To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41194 ) 10/25/2001 11:31:16 AM From: Crystal ball Respond to of 50167 Bin Laden under the knife: plastic surgery and pre-made videos to Al Jazeera probably means that Bin Laden already is living on a sunny beach somewhere near Lima Peru or elsewhere in South America, avoiding the cold winter and onslaught of the winter slaughter that he caused to befall Afghanistan. This is why we have not seen any new video news releases from him. It could also be that he not only left Afghanistan, but also committed suicide to try and leave this world as a mystery and as a legend in his own mind. With 3 wives and concubine mistresses and over 42 children Bin Laden is a playboy unable to endure the tough lifestyle of a mountain guerrilla for very long. His personal lifestyle is another sign of his irresponsibility lack of concern even for his own family. Quantity is not quality. Selfish and materialistic and hedonistic and sadistic. However, looking at the file film footage, Bin Laden in the Past has always lived the life of a multi-millionare amongst starving poor people that he helped to keep in squalor and misery as he used them as pawns, and human sacrifice for his own rich playboy revenge against the civilized world that had exiled him, including his own family and own nation of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Such he did while living in Sudan while millions starved and christians were killed in the largest genocide of Christians this century, the same he did for next door Somalia and Mozambique, while supporting Aidid the warlord that not only killed the US Helicopter pilots and dragged them through the streets ambushing the rangers sent in to arrest him for stealing UN and US food relief to feed his soldiers while his people starved. The same is occuring in Afghanistan, Bin Laden and the Taliban live rich and luxury lifestyles while they starve widowed women and orphaned children, not allowing these women to work or even go outside their homes to beg unless accompanied by male relatives, so they starve to death in their homes or are shot or hung by the Taliban in the public square or the soccer field in Kabul we built for them. This reminds me of the inhuman bloodlust of the Gladiator games and feeding Christians to the Lions in the Coliseums of ancient Rome, something an anti-human Regime of tyrants does, makes sport of killing innocents. Evil Ones. I agree that Pakistan and Turkey should probably play a large role after the fall of the Taliban in restructuring Afghanistan, but I also feel that now may be the time to allow moderates in Iran to garner some increased credibility by allowing them also to play a major role, since this would have a two fold effect of bringing stability to Iran by supporting its moderates and solve the refugee problem that Pakistan alone can not handle. Likewise, the former soviet states of Turkmenistan, Uszbekistan, and Tjaikistan should also play major roles. We need to support human rights orientated moderates in this part of the world, through power sharing partnerships before we awake and find there are no moderates left and the problems such as poverty and terrorism ar repeated again and again. Otherwise, in the absence of a secular educational and welfare system, at some point, illiterate ignorant clerics preaching HATE and HATEMONGERING will have to be removed, by direct action, from all countries harboring terrorists. Aiding and Abetting Criminals and Terrorists makes one just as guilty, just as evil as the evil doers, and therefore also a criminal terrorist state. The Civilized World should not spread itself thin, but start with the worse problem, and solve and resolve one problem at a time, one battle at a time. Rebuilding and modernizing and moderating Afghanistan, like the Marshall Plan rebuilding and de-nazification of Germany will do much to show U.S. and NATO Europe and Turkey and Pakistan's commitment to help not just the people of Afghanistan during a de-talibanization program, but also show all islamic people that we are dedicated to allowing them the freedom free from tyranny and war and poverty to live normal peaceful and prosperous and productive lives, in a democratic world. I am, Truly your$, -Crystal Ball