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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (9920)10/25/2001 11:26:26 AM
From: chowder  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23153
 
Ed, I wasn't inferring that you were being negative, although I wouldn't blame you if you were. I was negative about starting this thing, unless we had the resolve to finish it. We have lost 2 men now. In my opinion, we're in and we should stay in until we take out the leadership of the opposing force.

I watched a program on Discovery last night about terrorism. They interviewed a Russian General who was a high ranking official in the KGB. He said when politics failed, the KGB's attitude was to do what was necessary to win, regardless of what it took. He talked about Iran when they took our citizens hostage. He mentioned that four Russians were taken as well, and one of them was killed. He went on to say that when that Russian was killed, the KGB kidnapped family members of one of the terrorists and sent one of those family members back piece by piece. The kidnappers released the Russians and held the Americans.

I'm all for being a civilized nation and I'm not even opposed to a little compassion and understanding, but when someone attacks us the way we were attacked, I say crush them like a cockroach, their family members too.

And, for those who wish to tell me two wrongs (negatives) don't make a right (positive), speak to my high school Algebra teacher. <ggg>

da-ever-humble-bum



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (9920)10/28/2001 2:30:14 PM
From: JHP  Respond to of 23153
 
Ground attack a near disaster, admit defense bosses THE much-hyped first American ground attack on Afghanistan ran into fierce unexpected resistance and almost ended in disaster, senior defense sources have disclosed. The public admissions by Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of State for Defence, and US Navy Rear Admiral John Stufflebeem that they were surprised by the toughness of the Taliban gives a glimpse of how badly things could have gone wrong.The attack was meant to be a purely cosmetic exercise against a relatively safe target.But there had been a failure of intelligence and the troops from the elite 75th Rangers Regiment ran into such heavy fire near Kandahar that they had to beat a hasty retreat.A Chinook helicopter airlifting them lost its undercarriage and had to make a forced landing.The Pentagon presented the operation as a complete success and evidence that Operation Enduring Freedom was going according to plan.There was blanket and mainly adulatory media coverage on both sides of the Atlantic with the prognosis that the ground war had begun.But, instead, what happened last weekend made US and British planners at central command in Tampa, Florida, reappraise the military campaign, and continue with air strikes rather than carry out any more missions on the ground.Within 24 hours the Pentagon has requested special forces troops from Britain and Australia. And the British Government was forced to consider a much larger deployment of ground troops than envisioned. The near shambles on the first Afghan ground mission had unhappy memories for the Americans of Somalia, where 18 soldiers died when their two Black Hawk helicopters were shot down by militiamen. One senior defense source yesterday said: "The intelligence had been quite clear that the target near Kandahar was pretty easy to take out."But what the Rangers discovered was that the Taliban force were fighting back quite hard. The enemy regrouped very well and their counter attack was such that the Rangers made a tactical withdrawal. "Some of us are surprised that such senior US figures are surprised at the tenacity of the Afghans. They had been fighting for the last 20 years."Yesterday, the British chief of defence staff, Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, said that to beat the Taliban would need serious long-term commitment. Pointedly, he added: "The quick pinprick operation will be valid for certain targets where you have really good intelligence. "Sometimes one might have to stay longer to achieve a proper reconnaissance of the area you are looking at."Sir Michael's views were contrary to that of Mr Rumsfeld who had been repeatedly declaring that this was going to be a "new kind of war" of sophisticated commando operations.( Independent News Serviceshttp://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=31&si...



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (9920)10/28/2001 4:39:31 PM
From: Libbyt  Respond to of 23153
 
OT - Virtual Wall-Vietnam Veterans Memorial

I've read several posts on this board concerning the current fighting in Afghanistan, where references have been made to the Vietnam War. From some of the posts, it sounds like there are some Vietnam veterans posting their views.

Most of us are aware of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. but IMO there are not many who are aware of the Virtual Wall - Vietnam Memorial. thevirtualwall.org

A photo campaign, "Put a Face With the Name," was to have been announced Sept. 12th. This announcement was canceled because of the terrorist attacks the day before. About 3,000 photos have so far been posted. Kinkos is offering to scan a photo without charge and transmit the photo to the site for free. This offer is good through Nov. 30th.

Just FYI...to pass on to anyone who might know of friends or family members who would like to add a photo to this site.

"HELP PUT A FACE WITH A NAME
They served our country. They made the ultimate sacrifice. To honor those who lost their lives in the Vietnam War or who remain missing in action, Kinko’s and the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund have established "Put a Face with a Name."

This non-profit campaign enables anyone to use Kinko’s resources free of charge to post a photo remembrance to The Virtual Wall (thevirtualwall.org), the online version of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., that memorializes the war’s 58,226 fallen or missing service members.

"The Virtual Wall is a commemorative Web site that allows families, friends, and veterans to post photo or text remembrances and extends the legacy of The Wall.

OUR GOAL
Our goal is to put a face with a name of everyone listed on The Wall. The families of the veterans featured below have allowed us to share with you photos and the remembrances of their loved ones that have been posted on The Virtual Wall. Please help us remember them and the more than 58,000 others on the Memorial."

kinkos.com