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To: Ilaine who wrote (7518)	10/25/2001 11:00:21 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CobaltBlue; I agree that we need to review our foreign policy (oil and Israel) and our relationships in the Middle East. I'd add that we need to review our economic relationships as well. I'd like to see us using reduced barriers to trade as a weapon to change the character of other countries, rather than heightened barriers to trade being used as an (inefficient) club to try to force them to our will. The Marshall Plan was a carrot, but the most effective part of it was the lowered trade barriers. And that plan had the effect of changing the world in a way that made it much safer for us and in a way that we will always be proud of. -- Carl P.S. Re the Philippines. We had only been there 18 years before we promised them their independence. This is not very long on the human scale of things. India's been fighting to hold onto Jammu & Kashmir for 53 years.

To: Ilaine who wrote (7518)	10/26/2001 3:48:13 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

CB, Re: I realize that there are those who don't want to think about this because it's bin Laden's agenda, You are not being a loyal imperialist. You are a disgrace to your class. <w> Thanks for the thoughtful comments on Mossadeq. Not many understand the pernicious lunacy and outright anti-democratic agenda that the CIA has been engaged in for six decades. That's only one of the warm up acts of a truly sick bunch of Anglo-Saxon warriors seeking filthy lucre. [[Aside for those who want a quick synopsis of the CIA's role in Iran in 1953: That said, the removal of Mossadeq was done almost with a feather duster. Teddy Roosevelt's son, Kermit, was our man on the scene in Tehran, working for the CIA and he secured $1MM in cash to pay off some of the street mobs who were to de-stabilizing the Mossadeq regime. In the event, almost no effort needed to be made by Roosevelt because Mossadeq was losing popular support without our intervention. When I investigated this episode, I was gratified to find that we weren't nearly as ham-handed as we would become in later episodes of intervention in the affairs of foreign countries.]] Oops, do you think the boys at Langley flagged that one? They have the algorithms to do it. But do they have the time? That's the risk I'm taking. I'm sure every one of them would love to have the Alien and Sedition Acts brought back to life. And have me silenced. Vive la differance isn't their cup of tea now is it? yale.edu Anahoo, rethinking our foreign policy is too sensible for us to engage in. At least with the current featherweight leadership we've been saddled with. But, hope springs eternal. Even the Grey Lady seems to be coming around to some level of sensibility. Here's a sample: nytimes.com I agree with Friedman. We've burned our bridges by the bully boy unilateralism that the current clowns in control tried to perpetrate for the last 9 months or so. Now we'll just have to pay the price. Recession leading to depression, endless and pointless war. The Bush legacy. History will not be kind to Dubya. Do you still wonder why I fought so hard with you last November and December to try to steer us to a more moderate course in the world with a mature adult in charge of foreign policy? Salaams, Ray