To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (18775 ) 10/26/2001 8:48:21 AM From: Bilow Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480 Hi GROUND ZERO; Re immigrants keeping their old conflicts with them when they move here... They say they like the freedom in the United States, but that doesn't mean squat. Everybody likes freedom, except the people who are ruling, I suppose. Loving freedom is easy; all that means is that you don't like other people putting limitations on your actions. Tolerance is a difficult value to accept because tolerance is a limitation on our actions. What I would like to see out of new citizens is patriotism. Patriotism means putting the United States first. The problem is when patriotism is in conflict with the natural human tendency to care about the people you left behind you. And with that note, I should link in the lyrics to one of the sad immigrant soldier's songs sung by Custer's troops as they rode to their fate at the Little Big Horn. It speaks directly to patriotism, freedom and the ties to home:The Girl I Left Behind Me The dames of France are fond and free, And Flemish lips are willing; And soft the maids of Italy, And Spanish eyes are thrilling; Still, though I bask beneath their smile, Their charms all fail to bind me. And my heart goes back to Erin's Isle, To the girl I left behind me. For she's as fair as Shannon's side, And purer than its water, But she refused to be my bride Though many years I sought her. Yet, since to France I sailed away, Her letters oft remind me, That I promised never to gainsay The girl I left behind me. She writes: "My own true love come home, My friends are rich and many; Or else, abroad with you I'll roam, A soldier stout as any; If you'll not come, nor let me go, I'll think you have resigned me." My heart nigh broke when I answered "No," To the girl I left behind me. For never shall my true love brave A life of war and toiling And never as a skulking slave I'll tread my native soil on. But were it free or to be free, The battle's close would find me To Ireland bound, nor message need From the girl I left behind me.freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com I guess my point here is to remind that the Irish once also had divided loyalties. They don't anymore. Time will heal the same issue for the current crop of newcomers. -- Carl P.S. The unofficial marching song of Custer's troops was Garry Owen, which, like the "The Girl I Left Behind Me ", was brought to the US by his Irish immigrant troops:contemplator.com But they undoubtedly sung the above as well, and I like it better.