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To: Ilaine who wrote (7641)	10/26/2001 3:06:29 PM
From: ThirdEye	Respond to of 281500

Excellent point CB, but it's great for the defense contractors.

To: Ilaine who wrote (7641)	10/26/2001 5:45:41 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CB, Wasn't that wonderful that Friedman would state the obvious about Israel's obnoxious imperialism? I think we need to encourage others to step up to the plate on this monstrous arrogance on the part of Sharon and his band of thugs. As far as our cost/benefit ratio in the Mid East, I've done a back of the envelope calculation. I've addressed this issue previously on this thread: Message 16521113 There seems to be no rational argument for us to continue our present policies unless we want to engage in endless war and constant fear of terrorist reprisals. I'd rather see us as a nation get off the oil teat and start to develop some home grown energy sources. Today, Ira Flatow at Science Friday, sciencefriday.com had a one hour presentation on the prospects for wind energy and hydrogen power. This is a direction that the Bush Administration's Energy Plan gave short shrift to because of the bribery of the oil and gas industry. It is time for the American public to begin to ask the hard questions, and see the sense of ending our role as the chief hegemonists of the world. Leaving our future in the hands of the military-industrial complex which is now going international is going to be detrimental to the well being of more Americans than anyone is allowing. A good example of the nonsense we are engaged in is the new joint strike force jet that DoD awarded today. This boondoogle is being sold in Britain by Boeing on the basis of the number of jobs it will create for Britain. Other parts for this jet will be manufactured in, you guessed it, Red China. Can we begin to see that these kind of "advances" only lead to more festering wars and greater loss of American jobs to countries that the Boeings and Lockheed-Martins of the world pander to in order to achieve market access? europe.cnn.com It would appear that this new jet may create more jobs in England than in the U.S. Should our Department of Defense be engaging in this sort of jobs export program? Best, Ray

To: Ilaine who wrote (7641)	10/26/2001 7:13:38 PM
From: Jill	Respond to of 281500

I'm pretty sure we send Israel 3 billion a year so they'll buy our arms. It's profit-motive. They don't need our $.

To: Ilaine who wrote (7641)	10/26/2001 7:42:32 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Cobalt, re: BTW, loved the Friedman piece, especially this part - "Israel is with us provided we never question the lunacy of 7,000 Israeli colonial settlers living in the middle of a million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." Is Tom Friedman now joining the rest of the world in pretending that the Camp David and Taba talks never happened? Barak offered to dismantle all the Gaza settlements, and was rewarded with a guerilla war instead of an agreement. This is the coalition where we bully all our real friends to bribe our enemies.