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To: ubetcha who wrote (78903)	10/27/2001 11:19:34 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Rangers? Where the hell where the marines? The marines are the group with the record of assault and win, fight and hold, not the rangers. You do not do OAS type raids on stronghold areas. (Unless you are prepared to accept large casualty rates.) The advantage is always in raid and retreat. Air backup should be always considered. Typhoons hurricanes backed up troops to make them unassaultable in the double W war. They needed roving harriers to attack ground troops from medium height. Sounds like an overconfident not well planned out op. What the marines found out a the Yalu river was that well staked out rifle positions and pre-targeted mortars where invaluable in holding counter attacks. The Afghanis are the kings of counter attack. bin Laden's men have assaulted almost impregnable hills. Units of the northern alliance have taken more hills than any unit of the US army. The US advantage is not in man equipment except in firepower. They have less experience with their weapons. Less adaptation experience in difficult situations. Not enough sensitivity to their own weaknesses, enemy capability and attack probabilities. And far too much likelihood or morale breakdown in the face of adversity. The US has hardware, intelligence, logistics, support, technology, and firepower. (and food) It can surround, wait, harrass, fire at a distance and also amass strength. But readiness coefficients must be maximized as they can afford to do it. The US can afford to put 20 MG's on a site, so why not? Not all situations need lightness and max engineering, but all need redoubtable defense. EC<:-}

To: ubetcha who wrote (78903)	10/27/2001 6:39:17 PM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

I don't trust CNN or CNBC as far as I can throw them, but I'd believe them before believing that story. Are "defence officials" spilling the beans to the Irish Independent but no other media? Come on.

To: ubetcha who wrote (78903)	10/28/2001 3:24:53 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 116752

re: Thought everyone should have another view of what is happening. Cannot get this on CNN or CNBC!! Along those lines: Contrary Indications To The Frame-Up, Cover-Up Theory From Dick Eastman eastman@wolfenet.com 10-27-1 Note: The original story occurs below this recently obtained information. I have found a major inconsistency with the account of events I have been given. But I am not sure where the fault lies -- because ABC News and many other sources indicated the FBI had offices in the North Tower on the "20's" floor. But you can that on the following lists this is not the case. No FBI is listed. Here is what I found. I present it to you for ideas and further investigation. Compare these lists of North Tower tenants of the "20's" floors. washingtonpost.com channeloklahoma.com europe.cnn.com Tenants by floor: pittsburgh.com A> According to the first list the Port Authority occupied offices on the 19th, 24th, and 28th floors. The floors directly above each of those were occcupied by Empire Health Choice -- Insurance (New York's Blue Cross and Blue Shield Medical Insurance) on the 20th; GarbanIntercapitalInvestments and by R.H. Wrightson & Assoc.Investments on the 25th; and by China Patent & TrademarkAttorneys on the 29th. According to the europe.cnn. list Empire Health Choice occupied 461,000 sq. feet of office space on the following floors: 17th ,19th ,20th ,23rd ,24th ,27-31st. How many square feet of office space were there there per floor? Adding the square footage of the 23 offices listed for the 22nd floor --one office lacking a sq. footage number, another spread on two floors, and letting these cancel each other -- I get a total of 46,409 sq. ft. for the 22nd floor. But if floors each have approximately 46,400 square feet of office space and if Empire Choice Insurance has 461,000 square feet on only 10 floors that means that Empire Choice had to have an average of 46,100 on each of those floors! That would leave only 309 square feet for other occupants on each of those other floors. But see who was sharing each of those floors with Empire Health Choice and look at how much floor space they each occupied: (from http://eur ope.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html) 17th: 10,000 sq. ft. Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. 19th: no other listing 20th no other listing 23rd no other listing 24th no other listing 27th no other listing 28th: no other listing 29th: 400 sq ft. China Patent & Trademark USA 25,000 sq.ft. World Travel 30th: No other listing 31st 35,400 sq. ft. of other offices is reasonably consistent with the expected (360 x 10 floors) remaining from our estimated remainder when Empire Health Choice space is deducted. So where is the FBI that Peter Jennings was talking about in his story on destroyed criminal investigation records that I myself watched? More information is needed to resolve this. Dick I. See Link: http://www. pittsburgh.com/shared/news/trade_center_north.html II. See Link: http://eur ope.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html III.Empire Health Choice Insurance Agencies 866-761-8265, www.empirehealthcare.com washingtonpost.com; /A> rense.com