Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (196696)	10/27/2001 2:22:12 AM
From: DOUG H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

You have no idea what you're talking about. None. O'contrare'. Let's use your example only this time sans the "bash". Seems that all the No. 2 bad-asses in the classrooms quickly assumed the role of No. 1 bad-asses when their buddies got the boot. So what's the answer? First I'll assume the school board abondoned the project so they have already show the "bad element" that they have no backbone and will not be taken serious the next time they "decide" to do something. You see, it is fundamental that before you decide to do something like this you must ask yourself, "How bad can it get and are we willing to stay the course if push comes to shove? Are we wiling to do that?" When you do that, you've covered the downside and are prepared to move. It's apperant they did not do this otherwise they would not have quit. This lack of basic understanding show how illsuited they are to lead. Kick 'em out of school? Turn the major bad-asses out onto the streets? You said that, I didn't. But I would continue to seperate the bad ones from the good ones and not back-off. You see, I respect what you're wife does, as I told you, my father taught school for 15 yrs so you have no lock on insight. Teachers deserve a safe environment and kids deserve a safe environment. It is the purpose of government to ensure that. So what would I do, I'd find another place to house the rotten apples and place stiff disipline in place. (Davis-Bacon drives up the costs of all public projects which is a rip-off to taxpayers, it should be repealed)Their parents would be brought in for accountability as well as it is their responsibility to keep their kids in line. If the kids don't toe the line then maybe they do finally get kicked out and they become failures for life, Who is responsible for that????? Them. They would have failed anyways but I would not let them drag everyone else down with them. (Here is where you have Jesse Jackson call me a racist) At last the kids who respect the system and teachers don't have to teach in fear of their lives. Ask your wife and her friends if they'd like that. I already know the answer. besides, states takes a dim view of school districts with high expulsion rates. Very dim view. This has to do with how Federal $$ are doled out and that needs fixed too. If I were king, I'd funnel the vast majority of revenues to districts that have these kind of discipline problems and are taking steps like mine to fix them. I see the problem this way. The majority to school funding comes from local taxes, poor neighborhoods have less money. Poverty also coincides with discipline problems so where the money is needed most it is lacking. That is the role of the Feds, to insure as level a playing field in public education as possible. One thing we know for sure, the current system is failing the kids. Test scores prove it. This you cannot refute. Who's responsible? Who's in charge? Where's all the money going?

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (196696)	10/27/2001 9:00:21 AM
From: Little Joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"So what's the answer? Kick 'em out of school? Turn the major bad-asses out onto the streets? Kind of defeats the purpose of public education if you do that, and, besides, states takes a dim view of school districts with high expulsion rates. Very dim view." I have two comments. The first thing to do is to examine those few inner city programs that are succesfull and try to determine why they are successful and emulate that success. The second comment is that your argument proves too much. What you are saying is that it is impossible to teach these kids. If this is true (I don't believe that) then I guess the answer is to stop wasting money trying to do the impossible. I for one don't know if vouchers are the answer, but after so many years of failure through the public school system, we have to try something different. I do beleive that the teacher's unions want to preserve the status quo to protect their members and they do inhibit innovation and change. On the other hand I am not a teacher basher. While we have more incompetent teachers than we should, many are capable, dedicated and can do a great job if we let them. Too often they are not supported by the system and the bureaucrats hinder rather than help them do their job. Little joe