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To: Paul Engel who wrote (146152)	10/27/2001 12:55:10 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 186894

pAul, what kind of processors is the Olympics using in those Gateways in their system that is having problems? P-IIIIs? Make it so, Mysef

To: Paul Engel who wrote (146152)	10/27/2001 1:16:01 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: This is probably the REAL REASON why AMD's Dualie AthWipers DMA transfer problems are almost always caused by card or card driver problems - by definition, since the remainder of the system is reduced to being used as a backplane. Linux drivers aren't always the most polished, either. The only time I've seen such behavior was in a dual PII system, and the problem was traced to a network card (though we went through 3 card types before we found one that was stable with the Dual Intel system). Our dual processor Athlons continue to be the most reliable and trouble free systems we've ever installed (though the oldest are still pretty new). We're doing development in Visual Studio .Net on these systems and they are rock solid despite the use of beta development tools. We have systems using both the onboard IDE and card based 2940UW SCSI adapters (we've been buying Tiger based, not Thunder based systems). We've used various NICs and sound cards, mostly Matrox Dual Head video cards and haven't had a single "issue" to date. Not one - we've not yet had to download a single driver, we've never had to update any bioses, no issues, period. These have been really great systems for us, so far. The most recent dual processor systems we've bought are going into our visualization lab and some are using high end video cards - so I'll let you know how those work out once they've been running for a while. We had a heck of a time with drivers for some dual processor PIII systems we installed last year. They were particularly fussy with AGP drivers and it took 6 months to get them to be stable development systems. Our SMP Athlons have been flawless from day one, all necessary drivers were on the CD that came with the system - and they cost less and perform better than Intel based SMP systems. We have site licenses from Microsoft for the OS and Office and a pretty comprehensive configuration requirement for security and compatibility so we generally buy systems from a VAR with the hardware pre-built then have staff set them up. The trouble-free process of setting up the SMP Athlon systems has been noted and appreciated by our systems people - as has the stability of the systems.

To: Paul Engel who wrote (146152)	10/27/2001 2:32:57 PM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Paul, from the article about Athlon MP, As for reliability several months of use have reveiled that heavy dma transfers over the PCI bus crash the Thunder K7 easily. Don't bother doing any broadcast quality video capturing on this board although it is still reliable for rendering and compiling software. Most people will probably have their 760MP's in a server farm compiling one or two web pages every hour so the dma crashes won't be a deterrant to sales. Yes, the author does blow the whistle on the dual Athlon/Tyan combo. Still get a kick out of these guys saying stuff like: Most people will probably have their 760MP's in a server farm compiling one or two web pages every hour so the dma crashes won't be a deterrant to sales. Well, as long as you don't stress it at all, it will be fine. Like, don't take your new car over 70 or the engine may overheat and seize up. Any computer that can't handle running at full bore shouldn't be on the market. Your Compaqs, Dells, HPs and IBMs based on Intel CPUs don't do this. Speaking of overheating: The 760MP chip meanwhile gets hot enough to cook popcorn. Tony