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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (7857)	10/28/2001 12:08:39 AM
From: BirdDog	Respond to of 281500

I mean to engage you ...you ask about similes? At least you've begun to entertain me. I may very well read that book. BirdDog

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (7857)	10/28/2001 1:40:03 AM
From: k.ramesh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Okay, start with your assumptions, what is your solution? There is the old programmer joke, God created the earth in 7 days because he did not have a pre existing system to integrate it with. Seriously the US is as much stuck with the current state of the world as the USSR was stuck with its socialistic setup. Even the most hawkish rightwinger would n't mind going to a happy sustainable world with everyone living in peace if it could be easily imagined let alone implemented. We are stuck with the energy lobby, the infrastructure of exploration, development and distribution. We are stuck with industrial food production that converts fossil fuels into food. We are stuck with a hugely complex system of financial skulduggery for trade and banking and mortgages. We are stuck with the mindset that all of this is the best possible world that can be imagined. Any change is going to be at the margins, slow and painful. Even if the US restructures rapidly, much of Africa to much of South Asia has rapidly expanding populations putting enormous strains on the environment. Energy use has to be sold as freedom to the public. Freedom from the middle east to freedom from the grid as well. Freedom for the country as well as freedom for the individual. If one set of corporations (auto/oil) are setting the lifesyle agenda of oil and cars another set of corporations (the tech companies) will be waiting to eat their lunch with hybrid cars in the Dell mould of modular generic design, mini fuel cells instead of huge power stations etc. A sustainable future will inherently be a more secure future, no only for the US but for the whole world. see Swedish program and dutch plan to get sustainable in one generation - short bullets only coopamerica.org the kerala benchmark - ideas for other poor parts of the world based 4 ingredients Religious tolerance, gender equality, knowledge diffusion and Zero Throughput growth - one page with flowchart graphic nacce.org And why does North America Use so much resources -given satisfactory well being - Because it can. one page only jadski.com