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To: Rarebird who wrote (78924)	10/28/2001 11:14:12 PM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Writing on the Wall, written from Bloodshed & Bloodbath Does this blood come from the messenger, the one sending the message, innocents and others not caring and not wanting to know? Yes The conflicts of today have many names for descriptors, and as we all know, depends where you beliefs originate telling you the order of things to be. Rather than identify the composition of these fights using people places things beliefs etc, focus on the wall, determine the makeup of the blood only, not the message. The Wall here is not a place specific to any side in the conflicts, but that which becomes recent history from current and most recent events. Only one Wall, all sides in the conflict write to it, using what flows from the bloodshed of any person or the bloodbath of many. Sorrow hurt pain tears grief are not written on the Wall, they are the Wall. The Wall of goodness and hope is spoken of, but in vain, as those who talk to this wall have not the instruments to write to this Wall, or whatever is written to this Wall, the message is washed away with tears & blood associated with the other Wall. Whoses blood is on that Wall is everyones since only one Wall exist for all. Lets say that everyside has the same amount of blood there, and it has been that way throughtout the long history of planet Earth, as during periods of times or cycles in events, the blood will flow more so from one side that those on the other side in conflicts. But at any given moment in time the total amount of blood on this Wall has equal amounts from all sides in conflicts as its an accumulative method for the Writing on the Wall. The Wall is like a world with a single ocean that receives the blood of each and every conflict, forever being added to, and increasing in size. Unchecked the ocean may increase in volume and flood that which mankind lives on and erase life itself. Interconnected questions can be asked. 1. Will each side in conflicts always make additions to this ocean of blood so that its level will always rise and threaten to flood where mankind lives? Yes each side will always make "contributions," but there has been a change in degree and make-up. Because of the 9/11 event, a change has been incorporated that will cause the make-up in this ocean to reflect that certain sides will increase their flow, and the other side in the conflict will decrease their flow. Following this the reverse will occur and signal a trend that the total amount of blood flow into this single ocean on the planet, called the Writing on the Wall, will decrease to a near stop. The USA War on Terrorism has not yet begun, but only that prelude to what exist and has existed since World War II, knowned and not deal with to the degree of ignoring it. It will be deal with, and those nations with the most and strongest military, coupled with intelligence gathering, will rule the day and weeks and months ahead of us. Need a timeline is easy to give using the 9/11 event. Prior to 9/11 conflicts were like a stalemate condition that had no winners, but many losers. After 9/11 terrorism now has a half-life of one year. The USA has declared war on terrorism and has touched it and received the deadly radiation at full strength. year.... terrorism_strength 2001.... 100 2002.... 50 2003.... 25 2004.... 12 2005.... 6 2006.... 3 2007.... 1 2008.... ? The second interconnected questions can now be asked. 2. Will terrorism ever be erased completely, as in example above year 2008+ using condition that its close to zero and remains near zero? Answer: Yes, but only if the war on terrorism is never declared by the nations as being won, but only being held in check. Just as that saying says "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer." my speculation is that those with military might will rule, but only after they take a big hit, causing them to rule, not by right, but by might. dougak

To: Rarebird who wrote (78924)	10/30/2001 11:05:08 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116752

Jihad leader signals Israel shift October 30, 2001 Posted: 2:03 PM EST (1903 GMT) DAMASCUS, Syria (CNN) -- The leader of Islamic Jihad has said the goal of his and other groups is the "liberation of the Palestinian land with the border of 1967." Ramadan Shallah, speaking to CNN, said his group -- which opposes the existence of Israel -- would be willing to entertain the idea of a cease-fire if "Israelis are ready to pull out from our occupied land, at least the West Bank and Gaza." The remarks signal a shift in what has been the traditional position of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which has opposed any negotiations with Israel and has always claimed that it wanted to recover all of Palestine, including the land that is now Israel. On Monday, the Palestinian Authority arrested two members of Islamic Jihad and issued a warrant for one of its leaders after the group claimed responsibility for four Israeli deaths in Hadera. Shallah said Islamic Jihad launched the drive-by attack that killed the four women because there was no real cease-fire with Israel. He said Islamic Jihad distrusted the United States but recognized that only the United States could persuade Israel to stop taking action against the Palestinians. Asked what it would take to get a peace deal, Shallah said it was up to the United States "at least to convince the Israelis to stop killing the Palestinians, stop hunting Palestinian activists, to put an end to all Israeli measures like the siege of the villages. All kind of Israeli atrocities. It is only the Americans who can say that to the Israelis." Asked when Islamic Jihad would consider a cease-fire, he said: "When they use the term cease-fire, they are usually asking us to stop our resistance to a continuous Israeli aggression against our people. "We need to believe first that the Israelis are ready to pull out of our occupied land, at least the West Bank and Gaza." Would such a withdrawal mean an end to Islamic Jihad attacks on Israelis, he was asked. "There is an agreement among the Palestinian factions that the goal of the intifada is to achieve the liberation of the Palestinian land with the border of 1967. If that is achievable, we will agree on that for the time being. And, the rest is something else." Palestinian Islamic Jihad is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist groups that are anti-American and anti-Israeli.

To: Rarebird who wrote (78924)	11/9/2001 3:33:38 AM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Hawks will Rule and Dove'ness will become unAmerican. This will happen not because the Hawks will finally educate the American public of the real threat of danger lurking, but as the result of this warning not being taken and acted on and leading to the condition where that danger is not lurking but executed and delivering pain and suffering that will require a question to be asked, being "Why did we let that threat exist knowing that it was real, dangerous and a not if but when it will strike out at us?" with the answer obtained that the Hawks told us that this was what was in reality and needed strong direct and forceful action taken without limitations, but the Doves realized the day and obtained their case as the usa government policy taken. Why did certain Hawk'ish people inside the usa government allow a path that included a soft and weak stand against threats of terrorism can be answered very quickly and fully as it was the best action to keep their re-election possibilities as high as possible, meaning that the safety of America's future was exchanged for a state of well-being that included no harshness placed onto the American public. Yes, that was done when the Gulf War ended in 100 days and America's leaders traded a terrible future in exchange for what was to be Alice in Wonderland in USA land. Well, that future has arrived. or, 1/2 of this program is old stuff, but listen to what you will not hear on mainstream talking heads news programs here in the USA. Reality Check: Too late for a correction or fix a wrong. Message from Doug A K at Nov 8, 2001 T.V. Guide Boston Edition 9 p.m. Frontline Gunning for Saddam - ... pros and cons of a military campaiin in Iraq in the light of the anthrax scares and the Sept 11 attacks. or, see your future in this 1 hour program or, your future arrived 9/11 or, check out Rarebird's updated Si profile a song "Time has arrived..." Chambers Brothers 1960s