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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Captain Jack who wrote (8900)10/28/2001 8:47:58 PM
From: Captain Jack  Respond to of 27666
 
War Details Remain Secret for Years - From the Associated Press, By Sally Buzbee -
Washington "A decade later, Americans still don't know how far special operations forces went inside
Iraq during the Gulf War.

Some parts of the fighting in Kosovo and Vietnam -- even Korea -- remain sketchy. Even in
conventional wars, the secrets are many. In the war against terrorism, where special operations forces
play a crucial, almost unprecedented role, the public may never learn more than a sliver of what
happens inside Afghanistan."

"If they catch someone on the most-wanted terrorist list, they might eventually acknowledge that,"
said John Pike, a military and intelligence analyst in Washington. "But not quickly. Anybody they'll
catch, they're going to want to interrogate first" in secret, to help catch others."

"And when American special ops soldiers die? "They'll tell us that," Pike said. "But they may not say
where -- or how." Saturday's overnight raids by 100 airborne Army Rangers and other special forces
into southern Afghanistan were the first publicly acknowledged covert missions of the war -- and a bit
of an anomaly."

"Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Monday that no prisoners were taken. But he said
officials would never again provide such detail. U.S. officials would not say what the raid's objectives
were, beyond gathering "useful intelligence" on the movements of Taliban leaders, specifically leader
Mullah Mohammed Omar. They wouldn't say what they found, beyond a cache of weapons and
documents. They said two soldiers were killed in a helicopter crash in neighboring Pakistan, but
provided almost no details."

"Two U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said troops were still conducting secret
operations inside Afghanistan -- including some operations that will be kept secret even when they're
over.

"Some of the invisible operations we will provide information on," said Gen. Richard B. Myers,
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "There will be other invisible operations where we will not say
a thing."

The reasons for secrecy are clear: To protect soldiers' safety, and to protect tactics that might be
used elsewhere. Special ops have to be secret, Pentagon officials say, and they are necessary to hunt
Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network. Airplanes and bombs "can't crawl around on the ground
and find people," Rumsfeld said.

But maintaining the public's support is more tricky. Americans were so outraged by the attacks on the
World Trade Center and Pentagon that they will give the military much leeway to wage war, and will
not demand constant accounting, said Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution.

But over time, "If people don't get a sense of movement, that this is the direction things are headed,
they are going to get extraordinarily antsy," said Dan Goure, a defense analyst at the Lexington
Institute.

The military will announce its successes, most believe, perhaps omitting details of how they
happened. But secrecy also allows officials to hide bad news, at least temporarily. They might wait to
announce troop deaths, for example, until they also can announce positive results.

"We will do our best to give you as much information as we can safely provide," Rumsfeld said
Monday. He criticized leaks before Saturday's campaign, saying they endangered soldiers' lives, and
said "the goal is to confuse" the terrorists. Asked, for example, if helicopters had been used to extract
the Rangers from southern Afghanistan, Myers said, "If I were to divulge that, then the next time we
conduct an operation somewhere in this world on this globe, people would have an understanding of
how we operate."

Goure noted that many military operations, both special ops and conventional, become public only
when former soldiers tell war stories -- sometimes decades later.

Details of the killing of refugees at No Gun Ri by Army troops in 1950 took a half-century to surface,
Goure said. Information about Sen. Bob Kerrey's actions as a Navy SEAL in Vietnam came out
more than 30 years later. Stories of special ops teams hunting Scud missile sites in the Gulf War have
appeared, but there has been no hard information about how far the teams went into Iraq.

It's still unclear where all the Apache helicopters were based during the Kosovo air campaign, Pike
said.

All of that secrecy will be magnified in Afghanistan - and beyond. "Here, almost everything we do
will be behind the line of secrecy," Daalder said. "That's very different."



To: Captain Jack who wrote (8900)10/28/2001 9:10:08 PM
From: MSI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27666
 
"Dead terrorists are no threat"

Your premise is that somehow it is possible to kill or incarcerate all terrorists, before some remaining (or replacement) cohorts do more damage in the U.S.

Unfortunately, the point is this: a smaller and smaller number can do more and more damage with fewer and fewer resources as time marches on ... To rest on our laurels and assume we are safe from terrorism by pursuing battles in a number of theatres of combat is a dangerous presumption. This battle will go on for years. After our initial military action, the more involved we are in that region of the world the greater our exposure.

Embargoes are not to "teach them a lesson" -- it is to reduce those that support our enemies, who are supported by our largess to the tune of $1/2 Trillion over the past 10 years, some of which comes back to kill us.