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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (8957)	10/29/2001 3:21:23 AM
From: CountofMoneyCristo	Respond to of 27666

I'd like to know which individuals are behind this declaration. If they're not American citizens, I'd like to see them expelled for aiding the enemy. We have already seen how many of these organizations are terrorist fronts. Here are some not-too-subtle threats in that "call for peace" after thousands of Americans were just murdered: 1. crime - robbing a bank is a crime; September 11 was an Act of War 2. legal provisions, and procedures of law, national and international, must be adhered to - like the terrorists adhered to international law? 3. creates wide spread resentment across the Muslim world...will only serve to weaken the global resolve to root out terrorism...will fuel hate and extremism. - here are three clear threats upon Americans. 4. deal with terrorism and its causes - this statement seeks to legitimize terrorism. 5. building bridges of understanding with Muslim countries...will aggravate an already explosive and destabilizing situation - we do not need to build bridges with murderers, thank-you, and what the Hell is this? I see yet another implied threat right after that! 6. We strongly reject any suggestion that opposing a certain policy of our government is tantamount to disloyalty. This suggestion is undemocratic, unfair and un-American. - oh no it is not tantamount to disloyalty; it is tantamount to treason, plain and simple, and hey wait a minute here? these Imams who sit back while their brothers threaten jihad, rape and murder of Americans tell us WE are un-American if we dare call them even disloyal for wanting to kill all of us? Now I have heard everything, LOL, and I mean EVERYTHING. 7. Finally, we express our concern about the possibility of unconstitutional measures in new antiterrorism legislation, which may curtail civil liberties in the name of security. Such measures are unlikely to make Americans safer and may be applied in a discriminatory manner against American citizens and lawful residents from specific ethnic and religious groups. - I agree that the Act as passed contains un-Constitutional components and am gravely disturbed. As for treating those of the Islamic faith differently, that is inevitable, as a majority of the leaders of your religion have publicly stated their support for the mass murder of Americans and all others who do not subjugate themselves to your all-knowing will. How dare these people. I wonder, but if there are any more attacks these people threatening Americans under every breath are going to have to start thinking twice about emigrating. Every "call for understanding" above was accompanied by a veiled threat. It's unreal.

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (8957)	10/29/2001 3:45:03 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

>"...bringing to justice those who are responsible for planning, executing or knowingly helping to carry out this crime. " Here's the deal: if you limit your condemnation to "THIS CRIME", you won't get any credibility from the U.S. as any kind of attempt at making peace. It sounds like you're making apologies on a case-by-case basis. Which is what you might think when you look at how we've allowed such crimes in the past, since 1982. Things are different now. The American people are aware, and involved. The recent crime is no longer the issue, that was done and many will pay for it, including you, if you harbor those involved - your concern should be for future crimes, planning for crimes, and indoctrination of those who commit such crimes. Until you clearly admit and condemn the role of those among you in mandating hate and violence against the U.S. on a global scale, you are continuing to provide aid, comfort, and volunteers for our enemy. That makes you our enemy as well, even though you be a lowly student or a holy mullah; advocating violence against the people of this country, or helping those that do, in any way, is a crime for which you will be punished. Ask Attorney General Ashcroft for details. You must condemn terrorist recruiting and training camps, and "jihads" against the U.S. people. I don't hear that in your carefully worded document. All I hear are calls to stop the bombing, without a call to your own people to stop making targets of U.S. people. What, you want to continue the jihad, and have us stop bombing? We tried that for the past several years, and it didn't work. While I am a believer in reduction of violence as the only eventual solution, it only works if everyone understands the long-term goal. Otherwise we must engage in self-defense. Nice try, though. See if you can do better. Now would be a good time to sincerely call for cessation of jihad against the US, while you're still free to walk around our wonderful country, and while our more militant types are in the minority (see "LeMay" in the military history books for details).