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To: sripad who wrote (41278)	10/30/2001 1:03:26 AM
From: Kona	Respond to of 50167

"Anybody know how did the market react back then and how long it took for the public to see this." What on earth are you talking about ?? Believe me, I tried.

To: sripad who wrote (41278)	10/30/2001 3:54:46 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

<NBC news Tom Brokow said today, home of the osama bin laden, Pakistan's Gen. Musharraf cannot be trusted. > I beg your pardon once again Sir to move in, Mr. Ram, Tom is no Bush or Powell, look at what Bush is doing, and don’t you know who is the US President?? So, lets give you yours and Tom his wish, lets not trust Musharraf so what is your plan Sir, can you elaborate? Lets damn Pakistan, beat the hell out of them, kill all of them, nuke them, give India to get in, fragment it and balkanise it, I am really very sympathetic to all this but will you not be creating another Afghanistan, another hotbed of Islamic fanaticism, take progress and education away you have hell holes like Afghanistan and wretched poverty that you know where it exists the most in the severs and gutters. Will new 140 m people in the gutters help the cause of 150m already in your country and 5m in Afghanistan? Where are you coming from, what are your plans, please lets us know, we are very clear and focussed about issues here, please educate us how India can mend Pakistan, go ahead on hot pursuit, but let me tell you like Sen Lloyd Brenstien of Texas told VP Dan Quaylle once, you are no Kennedy, like wise India is no US Sir!! Period The size of your ambitions far outstrip your capabilities that is your problem, this imperial overstretch can only bring these kind of strange remarks about Tom on surface but lets do little more incisive study, love us lets make love more common, lets start a new page instead of this creeping hatred that takes us no where, no one has condemned Pakistan more than me in very itme they did anything worng, now that they have been right I will glorify their efforts with so much of negative publicity my efforts are important, they do any thing wrong you will see how I will change. Unfortunately you see no fault of your nation in anything, this vain glorification and obsessive attachment to past greatness and lack of thanks to people who make us what we are i take exception too, I am open about it and hopefully will be able to make some bridges with you. We are talking here of humanity, some lives some risks of civilisations clash and it is in this context your efforts are little murky. Tell Tom Brokow that Dalbandin, Jacobabad, Pasni the territorial waters of Gulf are clear signs of our commitment. He is not only trusted but 5 bn $ has made way to Pakistan in last three weeks as a sign of thanks and removal of all sickening poverty that makes people slaves like we have in our regions or fundos like I have in my country. It is not Mr. Clinton of ‘never never land’ luckily the Republicans know this breed of Pakistanis well, what ever you guys try to do, Bedbir when you were taking ‘lowly pops’ from Russians, SEATO, CENTO when you were making non-aligned movement or you can call the 'Abuse America' movement responsible for each crime of humanity with likes of Tito, Nasser. The present GA of UN is the remnant of those days when India asserted itself as non-aligned and champions the causes of alternate world that should be free from US influences. Chinese courted us but like dutiful good friends we arranged with Mao to see Kissinger while he was in Islamabad. When Carter-Brezenzski told us help us in Afghanistan we were there too, in Somalia 29 Pakistanis were butchered on mission with US forces to implement peace. In Gulf war you were neutral calling for bombing to STOP AGIASNT SADDAM, WE WERE IN SAUDI WITH US AS ALLIES WITH TWO OF OUR BRIGADES, THIS IS THE REASON IN EVERY SQUARE OF Kuwait IN ONE SMALL CORNER AFTER US FLAGS WE HAVE OUR FLAG TOO. When you were playing 'blow hot blow cold' with the world we took the heat, so Tom needs to know his history well, unfortunately he does not he and many like him will be sorely disappointed. Colour glasses only help see the world with that dominant colour, take out your glasses Sripad, I enjoy your posts, keep them coming, they remove my rust.

To: sripad who wrote (41278)	10/30/2001 5:52:07 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

The mother of all testimonies "Politics apart, I must give them (Pakistanis) credit that they are responsible people and will not allow people to walk away with nuclear weapons," Fernandes told a seminar on terrorism. See what your Defense Minister has to say, it is not Ike but George Fernandes and tell Hersh to read it carefully.. Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is "safe" and not in danger of falling into the hands of Islamic fundamentalist groups, India's defence minister George Fernandes said here Tuesday. "Politics apart, I must give them (Pakistanis) credit that they are responsible people and will not allow people to walk away with nuclear weapons," Fernandes told a seminar on terrorism. "Their nuclear assets are in safe hands. Those concerned with Pakistan's nuclear programme are responsible people."

To: sripad who wrote (41278)	10/30/2001 5:58:16 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

In this dirty war of 'words and dirty tricks and efforts to destroy Paksitan' now unconfirmed reports from Pakistan say unfortunately that India has emerged as the prime suspect of Sunday's terrorist attack on a Catholic church in Bahawalpur killing 18 persons, including a policeman, and 17 members of the country's Christian community. On the basis of circumstantial evidence and keeping in view the normal pattern of terrorist targets in the country, the government has asked the intelligence agencies to include India as the prime suspect. It is suspected that the Indian RAW has masterminded this carnage to malign Pakistan. An Interior Ministry spokesman, meanwhile, said the government, both at the federal and provincial levels, had taken all possible measures for the safety and security of places of worships and allegations to the contrary, that no precautionary measures were taken despite intelligence warnings, are not correct. The spokesman said as a matter of fact, the presence of an armed police guard at the church in Bahawalpur was part of the precaution that the local authorities had taken as no such policing of churches or any other place of worship is done under normal circumstances. The police guard on duty also fell victim to the attack by the terrorists. Similar security steps had also been taken at other churches in the country and these measures continue to be in position, he said. The government, he said, is committed to its responsibility in this regard and will continue to take all possible measures to safeguard the lives and properties of Pakistanis of every religious belief, the spokesman reiterated. The government, meanwhile, has also convened an emergent meeting on law and order here on Tuesday to review the situation with particular reference to the Sunday incident. The meeting to be chaired by the interior minister will be attended by all the provincial chief secretaries, home secretaries, interior secretary and representatives of intelligence agencies. The meeting will also discuss the Sunday's bomb blast in Quetta and the issue of border security with Balochistan. The government does not see much chances of any internal aspect behind the Sunday's massacre of its kind in the country's history. Secretary Interior Tasneem Noorani when contacted agreed that the Bahawalpur killing did not fit in the usual pattern of terrorist attacks or sectarian violence in Pakistan. "It does not seem to be inter-sectarian sentiment behind the Bahawalpur killings," Noorani said, adding that the Christian community in Pakistan had never been the target of any religious or sectarian group. Suspecting the involvement of "external hand" behind these killings, the secretary interior said that the Punjab police and intelligence agencies had already started their investigations to get to those who masterminded the attack. Bahawalpur, being near the Indian porous border, it is said, has always been the victim of terrorist attacks by Indian infiltrators. The government believes that the turning of post September 11 events in Islamabad's favour and the absolute failure of New Delhi's repeated attempts to isolate Pakistan and make it a target of the US wrath against terrorists, has led the Indian agencies to execute this terrorist attack so that anti-Pakistan feelings could be created in the international community in general and amongst the world's Christians in particular. Sources in the Chief Executive Secretariat even see bleak chances of any of the country's religious group's involvement in this attack. The history of country's sectarian violence does not prove this linkage. Neither are there any signs of anti-Christian feelings anywhere in Pakistan, a source said. Almost all different religio-political parties and sectarian groups in the country have condemned Sunday's attack on the church and expressed their sympathy with the Christian minority. The CE Secretariat sources said that the intelligence agencies of the country had been given the special task of targeting the terrorist networks in the country to pre-empt such terrorism. These sources said that normal precautionary measures could not prove enough to counter such events. A policeman was guarding the Catholic Church, targeted on Sunday, but even then the terrorists struck and successfully carried out their plan. Deployment of heavy police or other security personnel at all expected targets of terrorism is said to be neither a solution nor feasible. "There is need to break the terrorist networks," a source said. The government, the source disclosed, was already in the process of revamping the intelligence network besides extending it down to district level to effectively check the terrorist activities in the country. General Musharraf has already directed to run these agencies professionally instead of using them for spying on politicians. Rauf Klasra adds: Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider here on Monday directed secret agencies heads to send all the information reports to the provincial home departments and local police as well so that they could take precautionary steps to stop likely terrorism. The minister on Monday presided over a high-level meeting of intelligence agencies in the evening in his office to review the situation arising out of killings of Christians in Bahawalpur.