To: A. Geiche who wrote (8 ) 10/30/2001 7:33:41 PM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39 After three weeks' bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in the attacks on America has been caught or killed in Afghanistan. The terrorist implicate in the attacks on America where mostly those in the planes and they died on the 11th. There is no way to know if the bombings have killed terrorists or not. It is possible that some may have been killed, perhaps more then a few depending on how you define terrorists. In any case even if 0 where killed that would not make the war a fraud. The bombing is to create a situation where Al-Qaida has no sheltered area where they are immune from arrest or attack. The Taliban shelterted Al-Qaida so any success against the Taliban is also a success in this war. Further more even if we don't have success against the Taliban that would not make the war a fraud it would just make it a failure.Moreover, the Taliban itself is a creation of the Americans and the British. In the 1980s, the tribal army that produced them was funded by the CIA and trained by the SAS to fight the Russians. The Taliban was never directly given weapons or fighting training by the US or British government and it certainly is not a creation of the Americans and the British. Some of the people who are now in it where given training by the CIA or other American, British organizations before they where part of the Taliban but that's like saying that the American army fighting the British in the Revolutionary war was a creation of the British because Washington and others were former British soldiers.When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996, Washington said nothing. Why? Little was said because at the time we thought of it as just an internal Afghani matter.Although the deal fell through, it remains an urgent priority of the administration of George W. Bush, which is steeped in the oil industry. Bush's concealed agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil fuel on earth and enough, according to one estimate, to meet America's voracious energy needs for a generation. Only if the pipeline runs through Afghanistan can the Americans hope to control it. The oil is simply not the primary consideration here. There are other possible routes besides one through Afghanistan and bombing Afghanistan hasn't made it simplier to build a pipe line. Even if a more friendly government emerges in Afghanistan and the area returns to a more peaceful state and this helps us get oil, the oil will not have been the reason for the war, just a bonus.he is now prepared to send troops to a battlefield where the goals are so uncertain that even the Chief of the Defence Staff says the conflict "could last 50 years". Fighting the Taliban will not take 50 years. Fighting terrorists might not ever have an end because "terrorists" are not one group, but anyone who uses certain tactics. Even if you wipe them all out new people can use terrorist tactics in the future.Once you cluster bomb, "mistakes" and "blunders" are a pretence. As far as I can tell the only cluster bombs used where on the Al-Qaida training camps. Its possible some where dropped on Taliban troops at the front lines with the Northern Alliance. In either case they where not dropped on military targets in population centers. The mistakes where where the wrong target was set accidently (like the bomb shelter in Iraq back in the Gulf War), or the guided bomb malfunctioned (like the bomb that hit a house a mile away from the helicopter which was its target). In neither case are you talking about cluster bombs.He would do more than make gestures; he would demand that Israel ends its illegal occupation of Palestine and withdraw to its borders prior to the 1967 war Britain has supported the idea of an Israeli withdrawl and a Palestinian state, even the US more recently has supported the same thing. But the exact boundries and condition will have to be negotiated between the Palestinians and the Israelis and its kind of hard for Israel to negotiate when there last offer was met with violence rather then a counter offer. In any case it is a seperate issue. It was not the main reason why Al Qaida attacked the US, and even if it was it would provide no justification for such an attack.The Royal Marines, who will do the real dirty work, will be little more than mercenaries for Washington's imperial ambitions BS. Both about the royal marines doing all the real dirty work and about the imperial ambitions. Tim