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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8218)	10/30/2001 1:44:22 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<So it's a "relative" statement for anyone to claim that India was be "better off". There is just no way of being able to make such a claim. But there is sufficient evidence that the British united the continent and created the system by which it was later able to govern over diverse cultures.> True, but India was doing well during the British time. It's like Rip Van Winkle to see it. The old buildings are all still there, but there's nothing much new. Gateway to India was obviously a thriving port. Now it's nothing but a muddy place where tourists wander around. Afghanistan now and India before the British were similar. As you say, various warlords and kingdoms. I think that if the USA or UN did in Afghanistan what the British did in India, we'd all be a lot better off. That's including the Afghans and especially the Afghans [I don't include the Taleban or Osama's lot in that - they will be worse off]. If India had kicked out the Marxist concepts when they kicked out the British, they would have done a lot better. Unfortunately, they kicked out the wrong part! They'd have been better to kick out the Marxist ideas and keep the pommy bastards to laugh at in their pith hats. Of course, the British didn't really want all those British subjects - there is always the problem of women and men from opposite campfires getting attracted to each other. Then, bingo, England is full of half-Indians and it is questionable as to who took over and colonized who or whom. It's like in Kiwiland. The British took over from warring Maori tribes. Colonizing the place. We have the usual drivel about the poor indigenous people being hard done by. So how come they are sitting with a small height to weight ratio in government in Helengrad [the capital] on fat salaries and in my living room and dandling my grandchildren on their knees? Okay, that's poetic license because I don't have grandchildren, but when I look at the breeding stock hanging around the house, the grandchildren aren't going to be prospective members of the Aryan Thoroughbred Association. Mqurice

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8218)	10/30/2001 3:29:43 PM
From: HG	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

LOL! I better not butt into the cosy conversation about how British were God's answer to India's prayers... Maybe you need to find reference to Jaliyanwala Bagh on the internet. And you thought dragging the bodies of US soldiers thru streets was height of inhumanity ? You thought stealing American Nuclear Secrets was the ultimate in theft and crime ? Think again.... Everything, everything pales in comparison ! Centuries of consistant torture, abuse, rape and plunder... Teaching Indians to eat with forks and knives and to play cricket is not the ultimate Hawkmoon, neither is it life's purpose to build skyscrapers and write computer code. Human dignity and freedom is what it is all about. India is a spiritual country...has always been thru the ages. Materialism is a nice to have, not a need to have. Just a different philosophy than the West has.....but inner peace of mind is the main goal of life there...still is..... I'd rather be poor and happy than be bullied and tortured into being bonded, unhappy and rich......wouldn't you wish the same for yourself and your coming generations ? British wanted India to be what Pakistan is today. Dependent, poor, helpless and pathetic. So they could say "British Rule was Better". Well....it was not. Socialism is what made India different from Pakistan. Here's India's emerging view on foreign aid.... Message 16572735 Cheers.