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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (9326)	10/31/2001 2:20:22 AM
From: furry_creek	Respond to of 27666

Did he sign as a member of Johns Hopkins? Wondering if they know about his writings. Does the FBI? These alleged moderates live by smoke and mirrors. They are good at it too. Any weak spot in the screen is designed to make most penetrators look bigoted, barbaric or manipulative. You have not suffered that fate. BTW George tossed a great pitch tonight. Any bets he was looking at bin's face when he tossed it?

To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (9326)	10/31/2001 8:07:23 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

Y'know Count... Ajami's comments strike me rather as someone who's afraid of the US mucking around in his backyard and trying to bluff us into believing it's beyond our comprehension. It isn't so much of a mystery... Just turn your clocks back hundreds of years and you can understand what makes the majority of them tick (excluding the educated modernists, of course). This is especially true in Afghanistan where their tribal values haven't changed much from the days of the Mongol hordes. Well I say this to him... Arab fanatics understand power and force.. They understand having to look over their shoulders everywhere they go. And when reasoned with, they understand what side their bread their butter is on. Furthermore, I have a secret weapon for ending this war, which would probably cause hostilities to cease immediately and OBL to be handed over post haste. Pig Fat... Dip our bullets in Pig Fat.. Lace our bombs with Pig Fat... Lube our Artillery tubes with Bacon (cheap bacon)... Spray Pig's Blood over the enemy trenches from C-130s if we have to... Call it the "Pershing Solution", after Gen. John J. Pershing's methodology of dealing with Muslim terrorists in the Phillipines... When he executed them, he would have the bullets dipped in pig's blood, they'd shoot them, but leave one survivor who would be released to tell his story to the rest of his buddies. Kept a semblance of the peace there for years. "Pershing ordered the Amalekites executed one by one in the presence of the whole group. (The author is referring to the prophecy in the Bible that the Amalekites would be a very vicious and war‑like people down through history.) Moslems will not eat pork believing that no one could enter Paradise if there is even the smallest amount of swine flesh in their bodies. Knowing this, the General first ordered the firing squad to shoot large hogs. After they skinned the swine, the executioners rolled their bullets in pork fat and passed fat through the barrels of their rifles while the condemned watched. As each condemned terrorist was executed, his corpse was wrapped in hog's skin and buried on the spot. The entrails of the swine were dumped over the corpse before the grave was covered. Three of the convicted Amalekites were released to take the news back to their Islamic Communities. That ended the Islamic Jihad in the Philippines. Hawk

To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (9326)	10/31/2001 11:32:30 AM
From: MSI	Respond to of 27666

>"A radical Islamist opposition had emerged, putting forth a fierce, redemptive Islam at odds with the state's conservative religion." They just want power. I don't know if it's the culture or the religion, but it is vicious. I had a shocking experience a few years ago while making conversationg with a Paki cab driver about the report of the Paki nuke. He was ecstatic ! Up to that point he seemed like an intelligent kid, mid-20's, well-spoken, going to college to study computer engineering. The vicious warmonger emotion was so embedded he didn't even question them after 1/2hr of conversation about consequences of nuke warfare. It was all about "those bastards in India", etc. I asked him if he'd ever witnessed a nuclear detonation, or seen pictures, and he hadn't, he just knew it was POWER. It's a shock on a quiet afternoon coming back from my daughter's wedding to encounter that. They all want what America has, and think it comes from having military power, then they combine it with Dark Ages viciousness. I'm convinced Fouad Ajami and all the rest would cheefully see America turned into rubble, say "too bad" and dance on our graves. How the hell do we get rid of these guys ? We need to make a concerted effort to get those who support our enemies out of the country, keep our dollars flowing to civilized peoples, defend our homeland in ways we've never seen before, and continue a long and careful military campaign, both overt and covert, until we, at least, are safe. I am sure Dr. Ajami is receiving funds from one of the 5 terrorist-supporting Aram countries. That alone should be grounds for expulsion. If not, there's something very powerful that hasn't been used yet, called "public opinion" by citizens of this country. Since our politicians don't answer to us, it's time we provide the answer ourselves. If the board of Johns Hopkins fires this guy, he can sue all he wants, but if the juries and boards of inquiry in the US won't flinch - he would be OUT. Courage is needed - we seem to have NO oil company president willing to offer non-Middle East oil. Oil company executives either have no balls, or are kissing Saudis every morning for breakfast.

To: CountofMoneyCristo who wrote (9326)	10/31/2001 1:07:41 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

um, Count, I think you've got it all wrong, actually. Fouad Ajami is considered by the vast majority of foreign policy professionals to be perhaps the single best Middle Eastern expert we have--precisely because he is both "one of them" and "one of us".... The piece of his in Foreign Affairs that you cite is neither defeatist nor anti-American nor approving of any kind of Islamic radicalism. It is, on the contrary, a depressingly clear-eyed survey of what one might call the costs of empire, which the author feels can and should be borne. As for the "brigade" reference, I would bet rather large sums of money that it had nothing to do with Tennyson, FWIW. tb@getagrip.com