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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9523)	11/1/2001 10:10:11 PM
From: Silver Clay Art	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

It, occasionally, stuns (amazes) me the time that some people have to dredge up the most obscure and arguable points to "prove" their argument. You may not be using a religion as your shield but you are using idealism. I also believe the extremists of the Taliban and their ilk use such tactics with their own Holy Book (idealism/fanaticism). I hold Falwell and Roberts within this category. Extremist is as extremist does. Interesting.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9523)	11/1/2001 10:15:57 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Len Grasso supports an American action - this deserves to be archived! After reading the evidence as presented by the British, I am convinced enough to agree (providing the "facts" are true), that we are within our rights to go after bin Laden. Keep in mind that is one side of the story and the US is not making those comments. Also, the Americans, nor the British turned over any evidence to the Taliban when requested (not that they would do anything with it except to delay our response to the WTC). . . . Overall, I give a thumbs up giving America the benefit of the doubt. You asked - Why would they need bin Laden's money? Afghanistan is a poor country - the bin Ladin family is worth billions. Munitions don't come cheap. Seems obvious. You also noted: 1.Absence of warning. 6. Al-Qaida retains the capability and the will to make further attacks on the U.S. and its allies, including the United Kingdom. 7. Al-Qaida gives no warning of terrorist attack. " After 11 September we learned that, not long before, bin Laden had indicated he was about to launch a major attack on America. The detailed planning for the terrorist attacks of 11 September was carried out by one of Osama bin Laden's close associates. Say that again? I see that you've sifted through carefully looking for contradictions. But note - the British evidentiary document didn't say bin Ladin had given a public warning. It said he'd "indicated" a major attack was coming. The British document doesn't elaborate on what that indication was but from a press report one can see that bin Ladin did indeed give an indication - just not a public warning: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_413004.html Bin Laden 'told step-mother of 'big news' before attacks' Osama bin Laden reportedly told his step-mother to expect "big news" two days before the terror attacks on the US. NBC reports that he told her she would not hear for him "for a while" after September 11. Sources say un-named foreign intelligence officers have given US authorities details of the phone call. According to NBC, he told Al-Kalifa bin Laden: "In two days, you're going to hear big news and you're not going to hear from me for a while." Also you asked - British intelligence or American intelligence? Have there been indictments in the bombing of the USS Cole? As to which intelligence agency is meant, I don't know. As to indictments in the USS Cole bombing - it would appear so, though from what I've read the indictments must be in Yemen: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/yemen001220.html Hussan Saeed Awad Al-Khamri was identified Wednesday as one of two alleged bombers of the Cole. He is thought to be in his 30s, and to have trained in Afghanistan. But given his age, he was probably too young to have fought the Soviets. Al-Khamri is thought to have come from Hadhramaut, a remote province in eastern Yemen that is also home to Al-Rubat , the ancestral village of exiled Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden is accused of being the ringleader of a worldwide conspiracy targeting Americans. Six more suspects are still being held in Yemen, pending a trial that could start as early next month.