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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (61577)	11/1/2001 6:12:47 PM
From: Gopher Broke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

It's interesting that Pentium III 1.13GHz instabilities raised enough hell to get the part recalled, but Athlon instabilities are taken for granted as part of the normal issues presumed to go along with those systems. You want to watch what you are posting on a public forum. This sentence sounds defamatory to me. You have no idea what the problem was and yet you latch onto it and start making statements about the instability of products from your employer's competitor. I hope you are confident of your facts. We could equally well have spent days discussing reported P4 instabilities or the new Itanium "unavailability" rumor. We don't because there is a lack of concrete evidence, as with Tom's Athlon problems. Come up with some hard evidence or shut up with posting garbage about Intel's superior quality.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (61577)	11/1/2001 6:50:32 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 275872

Beamer - Re: "It's interesting that Pentium III 1.13GHz instabilities raised enough hell to get the part recalled, but Athlon instabilities are taken for granted as part of the normal issues presumed to go along with those systems." Touche'. AthWiper instabilities are accepted - part of the AMD "We're cheaper" culture.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (61577)	11/1/2001 8:20:48 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Wanna Re..It's interesting that Pentium III 1.13GHz instabilities raised enough hell to get the part recalled, but Athlon instabilities are taken for granted as part of the normal issues presumed to go along with those systems.<<<<<<<<<<<<< Or it is quite likely that an experienced tester can tell when the problem is a driver or less serious problem, or there is a major problem such as with the PIII. Certainly Tom didn't gloss over the problem with chips that overheat without their heatsinks and catch fire.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (61577)	11/1/2001 8:28:36 PM
From: Charles Gryba	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

wanna, I usually hold you in high regard and I am surprised that you either don't get my point or you are trying to spread some FUD. Like I said, the board Tom used was an overclockers board which allows the user to tweak the bios with sometimes undesirable results. The boards that OEMS like Dell ship have all those features disable so that the user cannot cause problems and therefore minimize support costs and get better service marks in the industry. Do you get it now? Constantine