To: Epinephrine who wrote (61738 ) 11/2/2001 12:53:57 PM From: wanna_bmw Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 275872 Epinephrine, Re: "I understand that AMD has somewhat of a reputation problem but I think that has been recently undeserved and is more a vestige of the past, and I sure don't think Intel is any more reliable than AMD at this point. Your contention seems to be that AMD is messing up and deserves it's reputation and that Intel's mess ups don't matter. and I find that to be ludicrous bunk. I am not saying that AMD is perfect, both AMD and Intel have had their issues. What I object to is your putting AMD's minor issues under a microscope while ignoring Intels issues and using that distorted perpective to justify AMD's undeserved reputation as a "second rate supplier."" I'll respect your opinion, but in practicality, what you think is irrelevant. In fact, what I think it irrelevant as well. What is relevant is AMD's reputation, and the fact that they have never had the reputation for world class reliability. For the first time, they are (rightfully) getting a reputation for world class performance, but performance alone does not sell products. If AMD wants to change this reputation, they can't just let it happen on its own, because it never will. Intel always advocates the reliability of their products, and this marketing will continue to always work. AMD needs to take initiative of evangelizing their own platforms, and they can start by making sure that reviewers don't get their hands on unstable motherboards. The fact is that they own their own reputation. In the kind of free market on which the U.S. economy operates, it's their responsibility how people view their products through their initiatives. If Tom's Hardware rates their products as having instabilities, it's their fault that this wasn't prevented. The same thing applies to Intel, but I imagine they are doing a better job of getting their message across. That's why AMD can't seem to gain any more market share, and why they actually lost some over the last quarter. Like I've said before: you can argue AMD's stability, but on this thread you are either preaching to the choir, or on deaf ears. Some people will believe you without your evangelism, while others will not, no matter how hard you try. But you can either admit that AMD has a problem, or go on believing that everything is peachy for them, like so many others try to do - it's your choice, and your investment. wanna_bmw