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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (62)	11/3/2001 3:33:21 PM
From: HG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 758

<<<they invented for us the number "Zero">>> The rest of your post may be true...but about the numeral zero, and algebra....just a datapoint for your reference.... It was an ORIENTAL discovery, Aryabhatta (476 CE)from Central Asia, with help from Greek and Chinese, influenced by Babylonians. As far as I understand, ancient Egyptian civilization had great mathematicians. But Islam had nothing to do with it ? It was this gentleman, who tied it a together in the more modern era... library.thinkquest.org One facet of the Aryabhatiya which influenced later mathematicians was the assertion that each place in a number was ten times the preceding place, which defines the decimal place-value numeration (the tens place is ten times the units place, and so on.) From this initial breakthrough would later arise the development of using only ten numerals for the entire decimal number system, a norm in the modern era. (Previously, individual symbols were used for numbers above nine). Added to this was the adoption of zero as a placeholder; the Hindu notation used a round goose egg as the symbol for the “empty” places in the decimal system. Though the individual discoveries of the place system and a symbol for the ten numerals occurred concurrently (and was possibly shared mutually) in Greece and China, it was in India that they were combined to give rise to the modern decimal system.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (62)	11/3/2001 5:02:50 PM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 758

It's not that important who discovered,figured out,etc, those things and when. They would have been discovered, figured out, etc, sooner or later by someone else, if they hadn't of done it. What's more important is what they did with the knowledge. If we divide the world into east and west, why are they not at the same place as we are? We didn't have a head start of a few thousand years, and that's why we're where we are and that's why they're where they are. We all "started" more or less at the same time. So what happened to them and their progress? I believe it's because of their religion. Their religious leaders have them so under control that they can't get anything done. This control is gained by the "inches". Praying 7 times a day, for example. I'm sure when the religion started they didn't have all the rules and regulations, (rituals) but each generation added a few more, and in doing so, locked down the populations. Look at the people in the U.S., the menonites? (the ones that don't allow modern machinery etc) For them, the world has stopped in the 1800's. If they were to gain control of the world where would we be 100, 500, 1000 years from now. We'd still be riding around on horses. They don't want control of the world, though. Don't make apologies and excuses for the muslims, they are responsible for their "position" in the world, & if they want to participate in the future, they have to change themselves, or we have to change them. IMO...........How that change comes about seems to be coming to head, now. fWIW, I don't believe that the free world should have to, or be subjected to, a 50 or a 100 year war to bring this about. Why should our "leaders" subject us to that, and why should the 5 billion people on the planet who are NOT muslims have to endure it? Because you see, at this point in time we hold ALL the cards. We have the technology, the means, the ability to not wage a 50 or a 100 year war, IF WE DON'T WANT TO. We can finish the job in a matter of days, and then the world can get on with the direction it was headed in before Set. 11, 2001. And that direction was headed toward a truly golden era. An era of peace, scientific, medical discovery, and space exploration.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (62)	11/5/2001 10:23:26 AM
From: brightness00	Respond to of 758

It is rather ironic to note that the Muslim Caliphates of yore were one of the first globalizers. After the initial consolidation, conquest and compromises (such as the choice of the existing meteorite temple in Mecca), the Caliphate empire maintained commercial law and order in the center of the old world, and helped trading of goods and ideas across the eurasian continent. The Caliphs that adopted light taxation policies flourised to a level unseen since the ancient Roman time. Then the heavy-handed caliphs succeeded them to the throne. High taxation and militancy drove the west to search its own sea route to the far east, giving rise to what we know later as the modern western civilization. It is tragic that today's Islamic revivaism look to the rigid reactionist caliphs during Islam's decline as model instead of an ealier time of pragmatism and open-mindedness. Jim