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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (9732)	11/3/2001 5:53:02 PM
From: Lola	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

2,000 more Pakistanis leave for anti-US Jihad in Afghanistan BAJUR, PAKISTAN, Nov 3 (DPA) Another band of 2,000 Radical Islamists and Pashtoon tribesmen left this northwestern Pakistani town for neighbouring Afghanistan yesterday to fight jihad - holy war - against the United States, organisers enlisting the volunteer fighters said. A first batch of 1,500 had crossed over into Afghanistan on Thursday, after Afghanistan’s embattled Taliban regime gave them permission to enter the country. In Khaar, a market town and the administrative centre of Bajaur, a remote tribal area bordering Afghanistan, fundamentalist islamists are enlisting people to fight the U.S. alongside the Taliban. The volunteer would-be jihad warriors share a common Pashtoon ethnicity and islamic ideology with the Taliban. Many of them are supporters of the hardline Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Sharia Mohammadi (TNSM), or movement for Islamic Sharia laws, that demands implementation of pure islamic laws in the region. The rugged mountainous area is located around 300 kms northwest of the Pakistani capital Islamabad. TNSM leader Maulana Soofi Mohammad is already in Afghanistan. He went there to negotiate permission for his followers had been camping at the border to join the militia ranks, facing U.S. bombing for a fourth week now. For days around 8,000 TNSM supporters were living under the open sky in Khaar, awaiting the Taliban’s nod. The Taliban had been blocking their entry, saying they would need additional fighters only after the U.S.-led coalition landed its ground troops inside Afghanistan. But on Thursday, Taliban ambassador in Islamabad, Mulla Abdul Salam Zaeef, said at a press conference, "we allowed volunteers to enter into Afghanistan from Jalalabad." A convoy of 50 vehicles transported the around 1500 would-be jihad fighters up to the Afghan border, around 11 kilometres from Khaar on Thursday. Yesterday, 2,000 more left. They crossed into Afghanistan’s eastern Kunar province through the Ghakhi pass which connects the embattled country with Pakistan. Back in Khaar, it’s enthusiasm among the old and young men who support the Taliban and vow to fight the United States which is "killing moslems." "I am going to fight for islam," Khaista Gul, an old bearded man in is mid-60s, declared. But to his dismay Gul was turned back by the tnsm organisers, who make it sure that each man’s particulars are registered and is able-bodied. The 2,000 people - a figure given by the TNSM activists - left in convoys of two to three pick up trucks, each having its own leader. Gul said he would wait for his turn tomorrow. But several young boys who were turned back for being under-age, left on their own. Each volunteer fighter is armed with a gun he owns. Those who did not have personal guns which is rare in this wild region where guns are almost a part of culture to bring along, bought new ones. This has led prices for the AK-47 assault rifles the pashtoons’ choicest weapon in Khaar’s illicit arm shops go up by 50 per cent. Black cloth is also much in demand in Khaar bazaar since most of the Lashakaryan - members of the horde or the would be jihadis - buy it for their black turbans, in Taliban fashion. While the anti-u.S. activists who display arms cross the Afghanistan-Pakistan border freely, the area’s administrative officials including border guards are keeping a safe and quiet distance. There is no interference with the jihadis. And this is a far cry from Islamabad, where Pakistani president general Pervez Musharraf had pledged support to the U.S.-led military campaign in Afghanistan, and would deny opposition to his decision. kashmirtimes.com

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (9732)	11/3/2001 7:10:29 PM
From: Captain Jack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

joe-- 300 firemen??? Seems like overkill to me to take out bodies when there are a ton of experts required to dismantle and remove debris. If they are not needed to man their posts maybe NYC has hundreds too many on thr FD payroll. Like a soldier with a commander or an employee with a boss... they take orders. The overtime may be a consideration to BOTH sides.

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (9732)	11/3/2001 7:45:22 PM
From: Bill Fischofer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

I am very much aware of that reality. It is the reason why states around the world must take Bush's "with us or with the terrorists" warning with the utmost seriousness. During the Cold War there were groups in the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. who for nearly half a century did nothing but script the end of the world in myriad ways. There should be no doubt that post 9/11 these same groups in the U.S. and Russia have been busy scripting the end of select parts of the world. When Bush and Putin and Jiang meet it is to reassure each other that should the unthinkable come to pass that the scorching of the planet will be contained. My hope and prayer is that the leadership of so-called "moderate" states fully appreciate this terrible reality and let wisdom guide their paths.

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (9732)	11/4/2001 10:30:29 AM
From: Bald Eagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

RE:Well, I believe it's important because people who think that the U.S. won't take whatever steps are necessary, including mass annihilation, based on what is posted here, (si) are mistaken. Remember Japan? They've been very nice to us ever since we gave them a serious ass kicking. Unfortunately, we might have to do it again to some countries in the Middle East. That's the only thing bullies understand. And anyone who thinks we(that means the US and REAL allies like the UK) are not capable of doing it are seriously mistaken.