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To: Bilow who wrote (8791)	11/3/2001 9:46:16 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The terrorists are ahead of the USA on the pig-fat-causing-terror game. I don't believe hardened Moslem soldiers are going to go nuts because there's a bit of pig fat around the place. That's misunderestimating them. Playing Willie Nelson won't do it either. But somebody has noticed that Americans are particularly weak-minded in certain ways and have used this against them. All it takes is a few germs and Americans go into paroxysms of fear. For decades, tv has told Americans to look out for germs and to clean inside the rim of the toilet bowl. Now there really are some! On the loose and coming in with the mail. Another weak-minded USA characteristic is to have a tv sound-bite attention span. The USA sense of reality is defined by tv. In fact, tv creates the reality which Americans think exists [as Calvin, as in Calvin and Hobbes, explained - he REALLY knows what's going on]. So, we have the absurd situation where the USA leaders are trying to explain why the war hasn't been won, the bad guys aren't behind bars and Independence Day isn't over with victory to the good guys. The public is getting restive with lack of results after 10 episodes. It's running into a second season and nary a bad guy has been strung up. Another mistake Americans make is to think that the opposition will just roll over and die because some big bombs go bang. The world does NOT owe the USA a living. It owes ME the living and I hire the USA to maintain me in the standard to which I've become accustomed by Colinizing the rest of the world to stop these wacko superstitious types taking over the world and to make it safe for CDMA. So would you all please toughen up, get back to work, stop watching tv and worrying about anthrax. Keep in mind that these are wild generalisations in similar vein to suggestions made here about Moslems being terrified of pig fat. Some Moslems probably consider the suggestions as insulting as suggesting that Jesus could well have been a homosexual. That sends Americans into paroxysms of rage too. I expect that will be the next terrorist strike. Fortunately, among Americans and among Moslems there are plenty of people who don't get hysterical about a bit of pig fat, a few anthrax spores and don't go off the deep end over Jesus perhaps having been a homosexual. But plenty do. Mostly people are sensible, whether they are Moslems or Americans. Hard to believe, but true. Meanwhile, as FaultLine and others here say, if you want something and somebody won't give it to you, just do the decent thing and TAKE it! Nobody has the right to stop you having something just because they decide they don't like you and won't even sell it to you. You are AMERICANS. If you NEED it, TAKE it. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. That sounds like quite a good new political ideology we've just invented, right here in this discussion. Rich people with lots of oil have NO right to sanction SUV owners by stopping supplies. Down with the rich!!! If the slaves won't work for you, whup 'em good. If the sheiks won't give you the oil, whup 'em good. If you can't afford a car, go down to the dealer, whup 'em good and take one. Now, how about that, and nary a racial epithet. I hope I've got the tone of the discussion right; pig fat, religion, sex change operations, anthrax, take what we are need. It's great to see the 21st century off to a good start. Rule number one in defeating an enemy, is don't misunderestimate them and think that a $10 million remote control Tomahawk, covered in pig fat, hitting a camel's rump in a $10 tent will bring victory, even if the pig was gay and had had a sex-change operation to boot. Not everyone will fall for that one. Mqurice PS: Yes, I know that in Peoria, people are NOT hysterical about anthrax. I know a lot of people don't believe what they see on tv, even if they bother watching. I know a lot of people are driving over the Golden Gate bridge [GG], ignoring the threats [but I bet they will wonder whether a truck they are following is about to blow up centrespan].

To: Bilow who wrote (8791)	11/3/2001 10:14:16 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Bilow... I think you'd be correct for your average muslim... But these extremists are willing to die for Allah because they believe they are being promised 72 virgins waiting for them in Paradise. However, for them to reap this reward, they must remain pure... Just look at Muhammed Atta's death note, if you doubt how seriously they have been brainwashed about preparing themselves to enter Paradise. What they fear most is not being able to claim that reward in heaven for their sacrifice on earth. That's why the threat of being tainted with pig fat and buried in pig offal was so effective when "BlackJack" Pershing utilized it in the Phillipines. Life may not be as important to them as it is for those of us in the west, but eternity is something they're not about take a chance on screwing up. Hawk

To: Bilow who wrote (8791)	2/5/2002 11:47:53 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

'See No Evil': How the C.I.A. Went to the Dogs nytimes.com I thought you might appreciate this one, Carl. In the "nothing new under the sun" department, it turns out the great minds at the CIA were on the case in the pork department long before the local great minds picked up on that dubious train of thought. For example, the time when ''the agency's skunk works had come up with the idea of filling a captured Soviet transport plane -- Soviet markings and all -- with live pigs and dropping them over Mecca, Islam's most holy city.'' The agency spymasters were hoping "to light the Middle East's fuse and direct the blast toward the Soviet Union.'' (Baer does not say whether this nutty scheme was ever carried out, but if it was, it fizzled.) It would be interesting to know if the KGB ever had the reciprocal plan of dropping pigs out of an American plane over Jerusalem .