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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9878)	11/5/2001 6:06:31 AM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

Bill- The cold war was different. The Russians weren't blowing things up in our country with suicide bombers. The war is going to cost (from an estimate I read in some newspaper) about 1 billion a month. 50 years will cost 600 billion, assuming zero inflation. That's a lot of medical discoveries that won't be made. That's a lot of scientific inventions that won't be invented. All because that money that is spent on war won't be spent on other things. Natural resources will be diverted from one place (new buildings, schools) to be used in another. War material. People will die because they have to fight, and also because lunatics will be blowing things up here. I can go on and on, but I think the picture is clear. These people must be stopped, and our country (and the rest of the free world) must take measures that may not be popular, but the first order of business should be to secure the borders. And that should be done however or through whatever means are necessary. Part of that is taking drastic steps to isolate and watch the people that may cause you trouble. The hell with their phoney rights. If they're not citizens, they HAVE no rights. They can always go back to their homeland. Our leaders are mandated to protect the country and the citizens. It's their job, their duty. They are sworn to do this. Then our country and the rest of the free world must take whatever steps they have to take to eliminate the problem, externally. Fighting a hot war for 50 or 100 years is absolutely insane. Especially when we don't have to. We can take care of the problem whenever we want to, in a matter of days. I have NO loved ones at risk. But I recognize that my fellow citizens do. And I care about that, and them. I do NOT want to see my fellow Americans children and loved ones being killed when we have the means to not let that happen or at least minimize it to the extreme. Even people I don't like, I don't want to see that happen to. It's unnecessary with the weaponry we have at our disposal. All this talk about the enemy's feelings and problems is crazy. They brought the action. We didn't ask them to mail poison letters all over the place and to bomb the WTC, and who knows what's next. They did this on their own. We have NO responsibility to them at all. They used germ warfare first. They bombed civilian targets first. If you (you as in anyone) have children that are under the age of 15 and this war is fought with the idea that we'll drag it out indefinitely, then forget about teaching them the piano, or for girls ballet, send them to karate school instead, because they'll probably need to have those skills. I may sound radical to some, but I am looking out for YOUR interests, not mine.. I don't have anyone at risk, and I won't have anyone at risk.

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9878)	11/5/2001 11:20:58 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 27666

hello Bill.. In regards to your topic with MSI....Could this be a bit of a start in the right direction. UK govt.–Shell Pakistan announce joint fund for HR education in Pakistan (Updated at 1530 PST) KARACHI: A joint funding for a Human Rights education programme was announced at the British High Commission here on Monday, involving the UK government and Shell Pakistan Limited. At a ceremony at the British Deputy High Commission, the Deputy High Commissioner Mr. David Pearey announced that the joint funding was by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, London and Shell Pakistan for the third stage of a project conceived and executed by the Human Rights Education Programme (HREP) in Pakistan. The total funding for the current phase of the project is Rs 1.4 million split equally between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, London and Shell Pakistan Ltd. By January 2002, HREP will have received a sum of Rs 6.4 million shared equally by both donors, says a British High Commission press release. This has been the third consecutive year that the two donors have agreed to provide funding for HREP projects in Pakistan The programme envisages improvement in outreach to schoolteachers and students, expansion of the existing HREP Resource Centre and its library for more extensive use and developing and printing a primary level book and an anthology of poems on tolerance by children. Teacher’s training manuals would also be brought out. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office, London and Shell Pakistan Ltd have earlier provided funds for two HREP projects in 1998-99 and 1999-2000. jang.com.pk