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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8957)11/5/2001 1:20:17 AM
From: D. Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Catch-22 - if we are engaged, we are The Hegemon. If we disengage, we are being a "unilateralist" and "shirking our international responsibilities as the sole superpower."

There's an angle for everyone to bite on.

Sucks the big one.

Derek



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8957)11/5/2001 1:27:34 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
What Would Nixon Do?

Hi Hawkmoon,

I've just read a delightful confection from William Safire in today NYTimes. I like the "uber-strategic" great game plan postulated, you might too!

nytimes.com

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November 5, 2001

ESSAY
The Turkey Card
By WILLIAM SAFIRE


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eached by cell phone in purgatory, where he is expiating his sin of imposing wage and price controls, Richard Nixon agreed to an interview with his former speechwriter.

Q: How do you think the war in Afghanistan is going?

Nixon: You call that a war? Light bombing of a bunch of crazies with beards, based on a policy of Afghanization before you even get started? That's strictly reactive and purely tactical.

Q: Would you send in a couple of divisions of American ground troops?

Nixon: No. The Bush people are employing the right tactics in their "phase I" — suppressing terrorist operations, helping the opposition make trouble, playing for breaks with payoffs and assassinations. What they fail to see is the global picture. They need to develop a grand strategy.

Q: Which is —

Nixon: Know your real enemy. It's not just bin Laden and his terrorist cells. It's the movement threatening to take over the Islamic world. Those beards and their even more dangerous state sponsors want the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil. That would give them the money to build or buy the nuclear and germ weapons to eliminate the reasonable Muslims and all the Christian and Jewish infidels.

Q: How would you stop them?

Nixon: Split 'em, the way we split the Communist monolith by playing the China card against the Soviets. Your generation's card is Turkey, the secular Muslim nation with the strongest army.

Q: The Turks have already volunteered a hundred commandos — you mean we should ask for more?

Nixon: Get out of that celebrity- terrorist Afghan mindset. With the world dazed and everything in flux, seize the moment. I'd make a deal with Ankara right now to move across Turkey's border and annex the northern third of Iraq. Most of it is in Kurdish hands already, in our no-flight zone — but the land to make part of Turkey is the oil field around Kirkuk that produces nearly half of Saddam Hussein's oil.

Q: Doesn't that mean war?

Nixon: Quick war, justified by Saddam's threat of germs and nukes and terrorist connections. We'd provide air cover and U.N. Security Council support in return for the Turks' setting up a friendly government in Baghdad. The freed Iraqis would start pumping their southern oil like mad and help us bust up OPEC for good.

Q: What's in it for the Turks?

Nixon: First, big money — northern Iraq could be good for nearly two million barrels a day, and the European Union would fall all over itself welcoming in the Turks. Next, Turkey would solve its internal Kurd problem by making its slice of Iraq an autonomous region called Kurdistan.

Q: But that would mean new borders, and don't Arab states worry about dismemberment?

Nixon: Turks are Muslims but not Arabs. When Syria was the base for terrorist operations against Turkey, the Turks massed troops on the border and Damascus caved, kicking the terrorist boss out of the country and he's now in a Turkish jail. And what's the big deal about new borders? Iraq was a 20th-century British concoction. Only 50 years ago, Israel became a state, and soon there'll be a Palestinian state. New times, new borders.

Q: Speaking of Israel —

Nixon: Let me say this about that. I'd tell Sharon to annex the Jordan valley, to protect Jordan, but then to hand over the rest of the West Bank or he's down the tubes. I know you disagree, Bill, but we're going for the grand strategic enchilada. Then I'd tell the Saudis and other rich Arabs to build good housing and plants in Palestine or accept a million Palestinian immigrants. With Iraq's threat neutralized and Iran coming around, the sheiks will ante up in a hurry.

Q: But what about punishing bin Laden in Afghanistan —

Nixon: Change the flow of money and power in the Middle East and bin Laden and his boys will fall into our hands like rotten fruit. Just use this crisis to reshuffle the deck and break out of the trap. Leapfrog "phase I" and there'll be no heavy allied casualties, no parades to stop the bombing, no Taliban, no germ scares. I have to go expiate now. Call me soon about Russia. How do you turn this damn new phone off?

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (8957)11/6/2001 12:29:13 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Hawk....Bin Laden's proud alums: Graduates of al-Qaida camps say U.S. too late to stop Islamic militancy

Note from KLP: This article speaks to your note to Raymond....It is from the Seattle Times today, via Dallas...People like Raymond DON'T want to "get it"....they would rather blame the US or it's leaders... I found myself very depressed after reading this article...It's hard enough to come to grips with this fanatical type of thinking, but it is worse to see they have been preying on all of us in the US for so long.... I won't highlight any of the article, because it gives folks an excuse to skim over....this should be required reading for every citizen...and for all of our allies as well....
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Monday, November 05, 2001 - 12:00 a.m. Pacific

Bin Laden's proud alums: Graduates of al-Qaida camps say U.S. too late to stop Islamic militancy

By Gregg Jones
The Dallas Morning News


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A U.S. Defense Department photograph released last week shows a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan after it was attacked.


MURREE, Pakistan — Yes, there was a time when he wasn't a model Muslim, Rashid Hussain earnestly admits. He prayed infrequently. He drank alcohol. He gambled on cricket matches. He even lusted after women.

That all changed last year, after 40 days in Afghanistan at a military training camp run by the ruling Taliban militia and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida group, he says.

The camp near Kabul where Hussain trained with thousands of other Muslims last year, and as many as 54 others like it around Afghanistan, are primary targets of the U.S. military campaign against the Taliban and the al-Qaida organization.

But Hussain and other graduates of the Afghanistan camps say the U.S. campaign comes too late to contain the Islamic militancy that is exploding around the world in terrifying acts such as the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.

It is too late, they say, because thousands of angry young men from across the Islamic world have already come to the camps to learn how to kill their non-Muslim enemies with their bare hands, fire automatic weapons, build bombs, hijack airplanes, and survive the sort of high-tech military onslaught a U.S.-led coalition is directing at Afghanistan.

The men trained in these camps were sent home to spread their militant ideology in places such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Philippines. Now, they are poised to return to Afghanistan and fight U.S. and allied forces in a ground war, camp graduates say.

The militants interviewed for this report have been identified with pseudonyms because they fear punishment for discussing the inner workings of the camps.

The Taliban, al-Qaida and bin Laden, whom U.S. officials describe as the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks, lie at the heart of the global effort to build a radical, pan-Islamic army, according to graduates of the Afghanistan camps, foreign experts and U.S. court testimony.

But while the root of this effort lies in Afghanistan, its branches reach around the world in a vast network of Islamic religious schools, militant organizations, radical political parties, and even military training camps — all tied to, funded, and loosely directed by al-Qaida and the Taliban, according to Pakistani militants and Western experts.

In Pakistan, for example, the militant Islamic organizations "have different names, just to cover their operations," said Mohammed Mirza, 28, who trained in the Afghanistan camps in 1992 and remains a leader in one of the dozens of Pakistani organizations under the al-Qaida umbrella.

"If one particular organization is banned and branded as a terrorist organization, the others can operate," he said.

Bin Laden's organization, al-Qaida, plays a central role in the operations of the network, raising and dispensing funds, providing logistical support, giving ideological and operational guidance "to many different organizations, by different names, in different countries," Mirza said.

"Al-Qaida funds us. Al-Qaida is the base," he said. "There are many people. They are masters of their fields. They have been given different duties, and they are doing them. Al-Qaida is providing them financial aid and things like that, whatever is needed."

Schools' role

U.S. officials say that in addition to the Sept. 11 attacks, al-Qaida is responsible for the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people and the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen last year in which 17 people died.

Russia has given the U.N. Security Council a list of 55 facilities used by bin Laden and al-Qaida. U.S. court testimony this year by two graduates of the camps detailed the military and terrorist training offered by the facilities, ranging from small-arms instruction to courses in how to destroy a country's infrastructure.

U.S. authorities believe Mohamed Atta and at least two other al-Qaida operatives involved in the Sept. 11 attacks have undergone training at one of the specialty camps.

The testimony of Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl, a former bin Laden lieutenant, supports Mirza's description of al-Qaida and its network of training camps.

Al-Fadl's testimony in a New York City trial resulted in the May conviction of four bin Laden followers for their role in a plot to kill Americans worldwide, including the embassy bombings. The four were sentenced Oct. 25 to life in prison without parole.

A key link in the chain of radicalization of Muslim youths is the Islamic schools, known here as madrassas. It is there that militant clerics steer young men into the organizations that supply recruits for the Islamic army that is trained in the Afghan camps, Mirza and Hussain say.

Last summer, Mirza's 21-year-old brother disappeared from home, leaving a note saying he was going for jihad training. The young man said a local cleric had issued a religious ruling that allowed students to leave against their parents' will to undergo such training, said Hafeez Mirza, his father.

The global Islamic army grew out of a war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s — a war organized, funded and directed by the CIA, say U.S. and Pakistani officials and members of the militant groups. Some of the camps used today were built by the CIA to train mujahedeen to fight the Soviets.

Camp graduates say they are not terrorists but are merely trying to prevent what they describe as the terrorism being committed against Muslims in places such as Indian-controlled Kashmir and the Israeli-occupied territories of the Middle East.

"We are training to save our country, our nation, our religion," Mohammed Mirza said. "This is a stupid statement to say this is terrorism."

Guns and religion

The training is broken into stages, beginning with a basic-training course that lasts 40 days, they said. Some young men — including Mirza's younger brother — complete the basic-training course at camps in Pakistan, said Mirza, Hussain and others familiar with the training.

The second level of training lasts three months at one of the Afghanistan camps and involves courses in more advanced weaponry and tactics, in addition to rigorous religious indoctrination, according to several people familiar with the training.

Mirza said his younger brother, cousin and three other village youths went to Afghanistan last summer to take the second course. All five of the young men declined to be interviewed, saying they had sworn an oath on the Koran to not discuss their training with outsiders.

Graduates of the second-level course can apply for even more specialized training that can last between three years and eight years, Mirza said. This training includes martial arts, intelligence gathering, proficiency in a range of weapons and explosives, and paratrooper capabilities.

"Those instructors who are training the guys, all of them can fight without enough food to eat for weeks," he said. "They can survive in snowfall. They can go through rivers. It is such a hard training that if you would wake them and not let them sleep for a week, it would make no difference to them."

In at least one of the training camps in Pakistan, students are taught how to hijack an airplane. The instruction is given in a full-sized, fiberglass dummy airplane, said Haroon Asif, a law student who said he witnessed the class in northern Pakistan.

Thousands trained

Mirza and Hussain describe their experience in Afghanistan as a cross between a Boy Scout summer camp, a religious retreat and U.S. Army basic training. Prospective warriors are whipped into peak physical condition and fired with religious zeal, they said.

Mirza said 2,500 to 3,000 students were in the camp where he trained. Hussain said about 10,000 were in his camp, about five or six miles south of Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan.

Many of the instructors were "Arab Afghans," associates of Osama bin Laden and Arab veterans of the war against the Soviets. The students represented virtually every Islamic country, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Sudan and Bangladesh, said Mirza and Hussain.

The camp where Hussain received his training "was huge," built on a mountain, he said. The students slept in tents, but there was also a vast complex of man-made caves that offered security in case of air attack — like the 1998 U.S. cruise-missile attack on several training camps after the embassy bombings in Africa.

In the first week of training, daily life revolved around religious instruction emphasizing strict adherence to their fundamentalist Islamic faith and the religious basis of their armed struggle, Mirza and Hussain said.

The day began at 4 a.m. with prayers and Koran recitations, followed by calisthenics and sprints up and down the mountainsides. After breakfast and a short rest, the students reported for two hours of religious instruction at 9 a.m., followed by 1-1/2 hours of stick fighting and hand-to-hand combat.

Most of the afternoon was devoted to prayers and recitations of the Koran. After dinner and evening prayers, the emir presided over a general assembly at which guard assignments and other security arrangements for the night were announced, the men said.

Living on a diet of only rice three times a day, "the first few days we were very weak, but then after a few days we grew stronger and our stamina grew," Hussain said. Military training began in earnest in the second week, when the morning religious instruction was replaced by three hours of weapons training. The students learned to fire various types of assault rifles, pistols, mortars, rockets and small artillery, Hussain said.

As the days went on, they learned to climb trees and rappel from mountains, how to sneak up on their enemy by crawling stealthily, how to swim across icy cold rivers. The students were pushed to their limits, running up and down mountainsides without water, deprived of food and sleep.

"They were training us in such a hard way to make sure that we'll not run when we'll be actually fighting, we'll be aware of every problem, and we'll be in a position to handle anything," Mirza said.

Every Thursday evening, instructors would regale the students with war stories about mujahedeen who had been martyred in the cause of Islam.

"The circumstances of when they fought, how they died, what they did, what they learned, what they ate — all those stories are told to the new guys, just to build their morale," Mirza said.

Lesson in punishment

Hussain recalled one of his favorite stories, told by an instructor called Commander R.K. The setting of the story was a village called Lanjot, in Indian-controlled Kashmir.

"The Indian army went in, claiming there were some mujahedeen within that village," said Hussain, recounting the story told by Commander R.K. "They beheaded 20 innocent civilians, picked up their heads, put them on their guns and put their heads on display to the Pakistani side.

"Commander R.K., who saw all this, said that the Pakistani army is not doing anything, so within 48 hours I'll take revenge," Hussain said. "He, with his fellow commandos, crossed into Indian-occupied Kashmir. There were three Indian soldiers drinking water. They beheaded them, took their uniforms, and went to one of the Indian army camps.

"When they went in the Indian army camps, first they shot the soldiers in their feet and legs," continued Hussain. "When all the soldiers fainted, then they beheaded them, put their heads on their guns and brought their heads back to Pakistan."

Hussain said the story drove home to the students the importance of learning how to defend their fellow Muslims — and how to punish their oppressors.

Another instructor who made a lasting impression on Hussain went by the name of Sheikh Osama. He is a legendary figure among the Islamic militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan for his role in the December 1999 hijacking of an Indian commercial jetliner. The jet and its passengers were flown to Kandahar, the Taliban spiritual capital. To end the standoff, India agreed to release a jailed militant cleric named Masood Azhar.

As Sheikh Osama told the story, he and five friends flew to Nepal to put their plan into action, Hussain said.

"They had five Kalashnikov automatic assault rifles in their bag, and they prayed to God that if God is with them, these guns should not be detected," Hussain said. "They went through the security check, God was with them, and the guns were not detected. They boarded the plane and in midair they took over the plane."

After his release, Maulana Masood returned to Pakistan and formed a militant group known as Jaish-i-Mohammad. Last month, after Jaish claimed credit for a car-bomb attack in Indian-controlled Kashmir that killed 38 people, the U.S. State Department added the group to its list of terrorist organizations. A Jaish spokesman has since disavowed responsibility for the attack.

These days, like many other men trained in the camps of Afghanistan and Pakistan, Hussain talks of going to Afghanistan to join the holy war against the United States. He went to Pakistani-controlled Kashmir on Sept. 30 with seven friends for another week of military training at a camp run by Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen — another group the U.S. State Department lists as a terrorist organization.

"We knew that America would attack Afghanistan, and so we went to prepare to retaliate against that attack," Hussain said.

Seven of his friends have already gone to Afghanistan to fight against U.S. forces, and four more friends are planning to go, he said.

"God willing, so will I," Hussain said, although he also said he would like to become a rich software tycoon and "support the jihad financially," as bin Laden has done.

Mirza said tens of thousands of trained militants in Pakistan alone are awaiting orders from their superiors to cross the border and fight U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Thousands of recently trained al-Qaida soldiers were sent to Pakistan before the U.S. bombing began "to avoid the casualties of trained persons," he said. "But when the Americans arrive, they will go back to fight. It could be me, too."

Some of the men have been specially trained as commandos and guerrillas, "and they will try their best to capture (American soldiers) alive," he said.

"If I could speak to a reasonable person from the allied forces, I would like to advise him to go back," he said. "In the history of the United States, this would be the most major mistake they are going to commit."

When the call goes out, as it will soon, he said, tens of thousands of men will begin moving toward Afghanistan, working their way through an underground network of safe houses and secret contacts. Others, he said, will move into place to launch attacks on the Pakistani air bases U.S. forces are using.

The chain of command is secret and strictly compartmentalized, "but we are in contact, all of us," Mirza said. "We are organized from the very base. We are in touch with Kabul, we are in touch with the Taliban. There are many ways for the trained persons, the warriors, the mujahedeen, to get to Afghanistan."

"We are training to save our country, our nation, our religion."

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