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To: Shaw who wrote (381)	11/5/2001 11:30:21 AM
From: HG	Respond to of 2926

Generalisations of any kind are wrong, and I was probably guilty of the crime yesterday. I guess these days when we use the world moslem, we usually means Shias and Sunnis and wahabis along with a few others, the most militant and violent of them all. Sufi, ahmedias and all the peaceful ones, well, they kind of all fall into a human category and need not be discussed much ! <g> Agree with your post, except with one small sentence which you prefixed with "In time....". I don't think the rest of the world owes them anything, not even time. Time only makes things worse. Remember Hitler and how everyone gave him lots of time ? Today Bin Ladin may have 20 million followers, but at the rate his kind have been multiplying for the last 2 generations <57 siblings and 40 kids of his own vs my 0 siblings and 3 kids> it'll be harder to control his mad followers and offshoots. I believe the message should be clear - shape up or ship out !

To: Shaw who wrote (381)	11/5/2001 11:42:31 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

RUMI: Obviously, you've been exposed to Rumi, but for others who have not, two samples below: <<<Art as Flirtation and Surrender In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art. Spring Giddiness Today, like every other day, we wake up empty and frightened. Don't open the door to the study and begin reading. Take down a musical instrument. Let the beauty we love be what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground. The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. Don't go back to sleep. You must ask for what you really want. Don't go back to sleep. People are going back and forth across the doorsill where the two worlds touch. The door is round and open. Don't go back to sleep. I would love to kiss you. The price of kissing is your life. Now my loving is running toward my life shouting, What a bargain, let's buy it. Daylight, full of small dancing particles and the one great turning, our souls are dancing with you, without feet, they dance. Can you see them when I whisper in your ear? All day and night, music, a quiet, bright reedsong. If it fades, we fade.>>> Namaste! Jim