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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (146905)	11/6/2001 11:57:52 AM
From: fingolfen	Respond to of 186894

From his point of view, which is a valid one, AMD can continue onto an 0.13u/0.10u hybrid and keep up process-wise. I'm not so sure it'll work that way, but at least I see his point. I see his point, but I also know to make that 0.13u/0.10u hybrid K7, AMD is going to need very expensive, very experimental, very buggy 193nm lithography as well. Previously you could still use 248nm with tricks...

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (146905)	11/6/2001 6:45:31 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 186894

RE:"BMW, he has a point. I do remember when Athlon was first introduced. It was on what some called a hybrid 0.25u/0.18u process, and this was what gave Athlon its higher clock speed relative to 0.25u Pentium III at the time. Now it's an 0.18u/0.13u hybrid that is helping Athlon keep up "quantispeed-wise" with Pentium 4" Thanks for remembering... OTOH, if AMD uses quantispeed then is a nobrainer getting 40%, lol Jim

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (146905)	11/6/2001 10:39:24 PM
From: semiconeng	Respond to of 186894

From his point of view, which is a valid one, AMD can continue onto an 0.13u/0.10u hybrid and keep up process-wise. I'm not so sure it'll work that way, but at least I see his point. Tenchusatsu I think the problem MIGHT be the 193nm Steppers, and Gate Current Leakage. You probably could Phase Shift 193nm Steppers to produce 0.10u Grade Gates, but the trade off is Tight Poly Layer Control, and Lower Throughput. Plus, I haven't heard of anyone successfully Phase Shifting a 193nm. HECK, they can't even get the durned things to work! Phase Shifting on 248nm Steppers is enough of a pain in the butt. I can't imagine what it would be like at 193nm. :-) Semi