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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (7558)	11/7/2001 7:00:50 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

"Truth is the first casualty of war." We all know that. We lie; they lie. What's new? First you can start off explaining that to jlallen. Look over the preponderence of his posts and he believes anything out of the DoD and disbelieves anything to the contrary. Second I'll agree that the majority of the people in the military-industrial complex and the press know "we lie, they lie" [except for the newbies]; beyond that I think it's a small minority. Occasionally, in the abstract, people can acknowledge it, but haven't integrated it. jlallen is a case in point, in the abstract he can acknowledge that we might mislead the enemy, but put before him the obvious contradictions or conflicts and he cannot fathom it....unless of course it occurred during the Clinton Administration, then it's all lies. But your words went well beyond simply saying the US was lying or exaggerating. Outside of extensive use of sarcasm, not one iota. As I said, if you dislike Americans this much, perhaps you should stay overseas. Maybe you can get a job with the Taliban. Kabul Joe? Interesting comment. Neocon declares the contradiction as "hypocrisy". I'm merely annoyed by the naive characteristic of the American people. Deductive reasoning might have levied the Kabul Joe? remark more towards Neocon. But deductive reasoning has never been a strength of conservatives. Care to answer one simple question to prove the point? Just a simple yes or no. Background: War. We lie; they lie. What's new? The Administration has said that they will not use the press to execute a disinformation campaign. Question: Would this Administration use the press in a disinformation campaign? jttmab

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (7558)	11/7/2001 7:11:48 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

More on deductive reasoning and integration of political values. A couple of my "core" political values are [barring Constitutional conflicts]: that the Federal Government should defer to the States and to the will of the people; and persons have a right of self determination. Are these the values of conservatives? So very often the conservatives claim them to be their values. But let's take a look at how the conservatives apply them. How well have these values been integrated into the specific policy issues that arise? washingtonpost.com jttmab

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (7558)	11/7/2001 7:36:42 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

Yet again...More on deductive reasoning. There have been a few posts recently on this thread that are blatantly racist. Prompted by a particular post, I did a scan this morning over various posts and threads. It was also that particular post that I refer to that prompted me to put up the links and text of the Japanese-American internment camps of WWII [jlallen...it wasn't your post, your topic just happened to be convenient] I thought it was important to remember what the fervor of war and fear can lead to. No one else seemed to. But more to the point. While blatant racist remarks arise from time to time, I don't see any of you conservatives speak out in protest against them. You always seem to remain quiet, choosing instead to assault me when I post a link from the washington post or an AP Wire. Deductive reasoning tells me that the conservatives here are far more tolerant of racist speech than they are the Washington Post. As I have been, I'll continue to watch and see who objects and who doesn't object to racist speech and will continue to use deductive reasoning to reach my own conclusions. jttmab