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To: blue_lotus who wrote (10037)11/7/2001 1:24:06 PM
From: joseph krinsky  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27666
 
Supposdly it's true. Supposedly the Carlyle Group has now (because of the 9-11 attack) severed all ties with The Bin Laden Group.

I think there should be an investigation of the parties to determine if anything was done that warrants action. If only to put to rest any speculation that might arise.



To: blue_lotus who wrote (10037)11/7/2001 2:08:28 PM
From: Lola  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27666
 
Taliban accused of gunning down refugees


QUETTA: The Taliban are slaughtering Hazara Afghans who try to flee the country, gunning them down in cold blood, refugees who have made it to Pakistan claim.

Thousands of "invisible" refugees from the minority Shia community exist in poverty on the outskirts of the southwestern Pakistani city of Quetta, near the Afghan border. They say they have fled the US bombing of Afghanistan, a severe drought and more than anything, persecution by the ruling Islamic militia.

Of a dozen Afghans interviewed, all had tales of random killings, human rights abuses and persecution. Some told of mass murders.

A 65-year old man said that he fled to the hills from Bamiyan to avoid the rampaging Taliban. When he returned he said he found his three sons shot dead. He said they were targeted because they were ethnic Hazaras, whose sympathies lie with the opposition Northern Alliance. "When we decided to leave Afghanistan we saw the Taliban attacking people who were fleeing. People were gathering on the road to leave and they were shot. We have seen this," he said.

"I saw 50 people in front of me who were killed. They were women, children and men," he added, claiming the killings happened a month ago. "I hate the Taliban for doing this."

Senior officials at the Taliban embassy in Islamabad were unavailable to comment on the claims.

Peter Kessler, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees spokesman in Quetta, said: "Clearly the Hazaras and other minority groups have been victims of massacres over the last years but there are also reports of Hazara exactions on Taliban prisoners they have taken.

"It is difficult to verify any reports coming out of Afghanistan right now. But these ones certainly deserve to be examined very carefully," he said.

Most of the 5,000 or so people who live in "Hazara town", a dusty maze of dirt roads and mud brick houses in west Quetta, are Persian-speaking Shiite Muslims descended from Mongol troops. They are among the 1,00,000 Afghans believed to have crossed the border illegally since the US began pounding Afghanistan. They have no identity papers and officially do not exist in Pakistan. They refuse to move into refugee camps for fear of deportation. Consequently they receive no help from aid groups.

Saeed Zaman, 35, said he witnessed similar killings in Kabul, the Afghan capital. "There is a chowk where the people go when they want to leave. The Taliban are attacking them there. I saw dozens killed (on Friday). The people were pleading to leave but the Taliban shot them," he said. "They left the bodies where they fell. The animals were eating them."

Zaman paid a smuggler 1,300 rupees to escape the terror, arriving in Quetta on Monday. Six of his family have been killed by the Taliban, he said, including his wife.

Sad Shah Musa, 50, echoed these experiences. "People are running and the Taliban are shooting them," he said. "We have lost our lives in Afghanistan. We have lost everything. 'Why are you fleeing, this is your country', they say. They say, 'You are against the Taliban, you are running away' and then they shoot."

The Taliban have also been accused of forcibly conscripting young Afghans to fight their holy war. They came for the three sons of Baqhtawar, a 60-year-old woman from near Herat, in western Afghanistan, 12 days ago. When she protested she was punched in the face, losing four front teeth. She was left sprawled on the floor with a bloodied mouth and has heard nothing from her sons since.

She fled soon after under the cover of darkness and arrived in Quetta 10 days ago. "The Taliban took our husbands and our sons. They burned our homes and our mosque," she said. "We have not come to Pakistan because of the bombing but because we are hungry, thirsty and the Taliban are so cruel."

The Taliban said on Tuesday the war against the United States could go on for decades, but Sadiqa, who arrived here eight days ago from Kabul, said Afghans were tired of the fighting, of the killing. "We are tired of this life, living like this. We are dead inside," she said.

Shaqi, 45, added: "The Taliban are terrorists and murderers. We want them to leave. We just want peace."

( AFP )

timesofindia.com



To: blue_lotus who wrote (10037)11/7/2001 2:26:25 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 27666
 
I don't see what's so startling about the charge. The bin Laden group is a very large construction firm (besides their investment activities) favored by the Saudi royal family. I would have figured that nearly everybody who was doing work in the kingdom would have wound up using them in some capacity.



To: blue_lotus who wrote (10037)11/7/2001 2:46:54 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Respond to of 27666
 
The Bush clan has been in business in the ME for a long time. Your tax dollars have been propping up the Saudi folks for George Senior and George doublya for quite a while.

Amazing what CNN doesn't cover