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To: Windsock who wrote (62762)	11/7/2001 9:50:17 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 275872

"And what method do you suggest for loading and debugging this non-existent software on the non-existent Hamster silicon? " You mean they are lying about their port? I'm, I'm shocked to hear that! Let me contact them and dress them down for perpetuating that fraud! Thanks for clearing this up! It, of course, runs on the simulator much as software was developed for Itanium in the early days. But you know that, don't you?

To: Windsock who wrote (62762)	11/8/2001 12:28:38 AM
From: pgerassi	Respond to of 275872

Dear Windsock: Funny that it seems to work just fine. Yes, its slow on the free simulator, but that does not mean it doesn't work. They supply the simulator code and x86-64 Linux is available and it runs. That is far more than can be said of some Windows applications running on IA-64 Windows of any flavor. And it has one thing that Windows does not, it can have more than one user logged in at the same time. Windows never got the hang of multiuser operation. Not to mention all of the security holes in Windows and its apps. And it has the audacity to work quickly on IA-32 code. How many applications does that bring to the table? You know that IA-64 doesn't even have 1% of the apps of x86 running at all. And most of those do not even outrun P4, AXP, Duron or even (cough, cough) Celeron all of which cost far less. Would you believe that for a majority of apps, IA-64 is slower than even K6? It must just gall you how quickly software could be converted to x86-64 compared to IA-64 even with the latter's head start. And how, right from the start, Hammers will be faster on most applications than any IA-64 CPU. Most RISC and CISC CPUs can have a decent reasonably optimizing compiler in a few months where as IA-64 is not there yet even after 5 years. It must just frightening to Intel Fans that this is so. Pete