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To: Michael M who wrote (36342)	11/8/2001 1:43:53 AM
From: E	Respond to of 82486

You're right, she wasn't arrested. An error, not 'spin.' As I said, <<(which has later become somewhat cloudier in its detail, I've had pointed out to me.)>> Read what i wrote regarding the USA PATRIOT Act. If that's too hard for you, read Steven's single, clear, succinct point. If that's too hard for you, what can one say.... Goodnight, Mo.

To: Michael M who wrote (36342)	11/8/2001 9:16:30 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Michael, Here are some other comments from the same site which indicate that Oden is trying to spin this for herself. I;m with you on airport security. How odd that people complain about the lack of it, and yet scream when there is an attempt to improve it. If she resisted going through clearance, and one gathers she did, there was no choice but to deny her access. LEADER OF GREEN SPLINTER GROUP FIBS ABOUT AIRPORT HASSLE In an official press release from its Chicago headquarters, the Greens/Green Party USA, a small splinter group that opposes recognition of the Green Party of the United States as the electoral voice of the movement that ran Ralph Nader for President in 2000, declared that one of its leaders was stopped from boarding a flight after a check turned up her name was on a computer list because the organization opposes the U.S. bombing of Afhanistan. The release said: * Armed government agents grabbed Nancy Oden, Green Party USA coordinating committee member, Thursday at Bangor International Airport in Bangor Maine, as she attempted to board an American Airlines flight to Chicago. "An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," a shaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes the bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan."* The press release was relayed around the nation as a first signal of the reach of the new draconian Patriot Act. But it turns out that Nancy Oden was apparently not barred because of a computer check, but because she did not comply with standard screening for weapons. While who said what is not clear, it appears that her name was not flagged by a computer search of potential terrorists or their supporters, according to a news report in the Bangor Daily News on Nov. 3. While the undue harassment of airline travelers is to be condemned, it does not seem that this incident warrants fears of a major violation of Constitutional guarantees of free speech, as it first appeared. The group that Nancy Oden leads is nevertheless using the incident to draw attention and support to itself. ________ Anyone who knows Nancy, and believe me i know her well (she was my boss) and know what an uncooperative person she can be, would realize that Nancy most likely got a routine check, made a big fuss about it and got kicked out of the airport. Now, GPUSA is making a big deal about the incident and is going to milk the media for all they can get. Peace, Starlene Rankin Chicago, IL Illinois GP Media Coordiantor member of the USGP Media Team ___ --------- Officials at the airport and American Eagle Airlines have a different account of Oden's afternoon run-in with the added security. ''She was uncooperative during the screening process,'' American Eagle spokesman Kurt Iverson said. ''Obviously if they can't submit to screening, (federal) regulations require that they not be allowed to board the plane.'' Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, security has been tightened at airports. In Bangor, armed National Guardsmen monitor the screening area and passenger lists are checked against an FBI terrorist watch list. At one point during Oden's security screening, a National Guardsman grabbed her by the arm and she jerked it away. While acknowledging that Oden was singled out for added extensive screening, authorities said it was more likely related to the manner in which she purchased her ticket than for her activist past. Without providing details, interim airport director Rebecca Hupp said that the FAA guidelines ''have more to do with the ticket than the person.'' Oden bought her nonrefundable ticket online, she said.

To: Michael M who wrote (36342)	11/8/2001 4:36:31 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Re: the Greenie....It should have been obvious from the start that she was not flagged for political belief since no other member of the party was interfered with......

To: Michael M who wrote (36342)	11/8/2001 9:02:17 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I believe the objection to the name of that law is that it has nothing to do with patriotism; it is actually an internal security act. And it is likely the misnomer was not unintentional. Who can be against patriotism? Yet the act seriously extends the power of the government to intrude into and monitor the activities and beliefs of citizen. It also allows the government to do such previously unthinkable things as ignore habeas corpus and conduct secret trials. This sort of activity is characteristic of dictatorships, not democracies. Does this ring a bell? "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Before you fire up your flamethower, I'd suggest you check my credentials as a conservative with others, say jlallen (moderator of RWET), Carolyn, Ish, Jeff Roberts.... Or you can try the other side: X, E, Poet, Win Smith, Patricia Trinchero, TigerPaw, Mephisto, flapjack, ....