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To: elpolvo who wrote (7034)	11/8/2001 5:20:46 PM
From: she_x	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104181

elpaloma, all efforts to apprehend these offenders has in the past failed miserably. thousands of our citizens have been killed unmercifully and we have gathered the facts (not conjecture) and presented them to all civilized nations and garnered their support in this military operation. has bin laden or the taliban made any effort to prove their innocence? not hardly. if i was innocent and someone came at me with daisy cutters and the like i damn sure would be trying to prove my innocence and complying with my opponent in any way i could, not celebrating in the streets and threatening more violence. the rules of this engagement were stated upfront before any bombing started. these people are animals and we don't try to reason with dangerous animals, we put them down. i don't have a problem with this. it's all part of life and living the best we know how. no it's not nirvana. it's not pretty and it's not the higher ideal we would all like to strive for but it is what we can do, with what we have, to protect the liberty and security of our country from the animals that threaten us. this is war. i don't believe that our government is confusing this war with any other war. i don't think calling it a war has much bearing on the military actions that are ongoing anymore than all the wasted rhetoric in the 60's about how vietnam wasn't a war either, it was a military offensive or some such b.s.. call it what you like, i call it war. bushy the taliban slayer

To: elpolvo who wrote (7034)	11/8/2001 7:18:27 PM
From: Dalin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104181

Polvster, I had the pleasurable experience of meeting a 2 star Air Force General yesterday afternoon. We....him, my buddy who introduced me to him, and I.....were sitting on the front of my boat, enjoying the fall sunshine, sipping whiskey, smoking cigars, and listening to his war stories. He is a very interesting guy. He was shot down twice in f105s over Viet Nam. He described fighting in "The Storm" . One thing I remember he said...I'm paraphrasing, and probably not getting it all right(that sippin whiskey thing), but what we(USA) had told Sadam ......"if any biological, chemical, nuclear weapons are used against us, Baghdad will cease to exist. " He kind of likened it to a beat cop working in the ghettos. "After a while, you adopt the same type of mentality, means, and actions of the enemy. You have to. Its human nature. If someone comes into your home and threatens you and your family, your gonna fight..with any and all means necessary.....very dirty if you have to" i think we're killing these dudes because their tribunal refused to hand over a friend of theirs that we've accused of inspiring and plotting terrorist acts I wonder what the germans would have said if we demanded Hitler to be handed over? Just a thought. Obviously not exactly the same thing....but......part of that evolution thing maybe........ :0) Ramblin 69