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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 4:39:25 PM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 275872

wbmw, Re: Your guesses about Thoroughbred availability. Hmm... I didn't see the slide, so I am impressed with myself that I guessed the same top speed of Palomino as AMD. My overall opinion is that the .13u conversion is below my expectations, and I expect that Tbred will barely make it in Q2, if at all. Since Desktops are still bread and butter of AMD, I think Intel tie (or surpass) AMD (in performance) with 2.2GHz Northwood in Q1 and 2.4GHs Northwood in Q2, assuming Thoroughbred will be MIA. Joe

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 4:41:09 PM
From: Charles Gryba	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Wanna, that's a big jump from 2600 to 3400 from q3 to q4. Constantine

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 4:41:51 PM
From: jcholewa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

> Q2 2002 - M2400 (Tbred/Barton) > Q3 2002 - M2600 (Tbred/Barton) > Q4 2002 - M3400 (Hammer) > it also seems to imply that .13u SOI only gets > Barton up to about 2.1GHz Those charts are only telling the fastest processor available from AMD's high end per quarter, if you're referencing the slide of which I'm thinking. So it wouldn't show Barton after the Hammer appears. But that doesn't mean that AMD won't continue to make Bartons for a while longer. I expect that they will do this until Hammer infrastructure solidifies and Hammer manufacturing really hits home. I think that AMD will be in the high 2ks in terms of volume availability for 2002H2 and for at least most of 2003H1, even though they'll be able to claim the low 3ks (they'll be in short supply a la a new core).

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 4:52:55 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Thanks for a balanced post. My only comment is that pushing Barton past 2.1 GHz might not make sense if Clawhammer is available. But if hammer is delayed... Petz

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 4:55:20 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

"Q2 2002 - M2400 (Tbred/Barton)" Don't they also say that Barton is a H2, 2002 product?

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/8/2001 5:10:15 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Respond to of 275872

Re: <...they seem to imply that Palomino will get to 1.8GHz. However, it also seems to imply that .13u SOI only gets Barton up to about 2.1GHz. ... event.mediaondemand.com > It looks to me like they just plugged in 200MHz/Quarter 'till Hammer time. Looks to me like a 'rule of thumb' slide and not much more. I doubt we'll hear much good news 'till Jerry gets his options repriced. tgptndr

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (63055)	11/12/2001 12:01:43 AM
From: milo_morai	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Your IPC is wrong. <font color=red>M3400= 2Ghz </font>based on Jerry's comments that the work of the Hammer was 3 times a 1Ghz Athlon running at 2Ghz that works out to 50% greater than a Athlon if the hammer was the same clock rate. Palomino's XP rating ia 1.125 times greater then the clock rate in Mhz . 2000Mhz(of a hammer)x 1.5= Mhz of Athlon that equals hammer performance 3000x 1.12= XP rating of 3375 round up to M3400 M. Hammers at 3.4GHz? Ed, at overclockers.com thinks so. What do I think? Urrr, I dunno. He does have a point, and my personal viewpoint is that AMD is dropping broad hints that their 0.13 micron process is nothing like Intel's. Their projections on A4 clock rates are something outstanding... "Clawhammer Speed This slide shows a Model 3400 Hammer at .13 micron debuting at the end of 2002, a Model 4000 coming the first half of 2003, then a .09 micron Hammer at 4400 the second half of 2003. 3400, 4000, 4400 of what? Surprisingly, the answer looks to be "MHz." If you go back to the infamous slide 35, it shows the estimated PR rating of the Hammer chip. Remember, the initial model is 3400. If that were PR, the slide would show a yellow dot around 3400, but it doesn't. Instead, it shows a dot around 4300. That why I think the Model 3400 Hammer is probably a 3.4GHz chip. " overclockers.com