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To: uu who wrote (465)	11/10/2001 8:44:46 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 2926

from IQBAL LATIF .... an extremely powerful , reasoned and impassioned post here , from one who knows both Islam and it's fatal and deadly flaws: Message 16631237 An open letter to Osama Bin Laden: The self-inflicted death of intellect in Islam a thousand years ago is the main cause of the retrogressive and unenlightened mullah culture in Muslim societies today. Your self-selected messiahism is too opportunistic and shallow to become a political movement of a revolutionary sentiment among the dispossessed Muslims of the world. If you are offended at the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, let me tell you something: the great majority of us Muslims do not give a damn. Izzat Majeed writing today..... The vast majority of the Muslims of the world do not care about your proclamations and your antiquated notion of Islam. You helped create the Taliban (some say you actually rule over them). If the sheer barbarism of the Taliban regime is your version of an Islamic society, then you must be a true dreamer to think that any Muslim with half a brain will listen to you. The long lost tribal simplicity and austerity that once characterised the practice of Islam interest no one today. The self-inflicted death of intellect in Islam a thousand years ago is the main cause of the retrogressive and unenlightened mullah culture in Muslim societies today. Look at what you have done, Osama bin Laden. The carnage in New York, in the full glory of a sunny day and the glare of ever-hungry television, has unleashed forces that are as ambivalent and as conspiratorial as any sea change in the river of history. Ambivalent because, like you, all that these forces of imperial power understand is that clear and present danger, however concocted, can only be met with the exercise of naked military might. But at the same time, sheer force needs to be tempered with political accommodation on a varied and shifting political and ethnic battlefield. Conspiratorial, because what you have invited to the region, under the shadow of your terrorism and by now half-forgotten mumbo jubmo of post-war anti-colonialism in the guise of so-called jihad, is today's one and only imperial superpower. .... History has no morality, and certainly no sense of justice. Imperialism can conceive of a world cast only in its own image. Capital knows no religion and has no country. To fight the United States, therefore, you may rant and rave about all the tyrannies and genocide supported (or conveniently overlooked) by the Caesars of today. But unless you have a more powerful worldview — militarily, politically, economically, culturally — you will remain a revolutionary who became notorious for a while in the poppy fields and pre-historic caves of Afghanistan. The majority of the Afghans want you and your 'foreigners' to leave them alone. By helping create and then lording over the Taliban you have lost any chance of winning the hearts and minds of the long-suffering people of Afghanistan. I am sure every single Afghan woman would love to put you in a burqa and flag you for your medieval and tyrannical version of Islam. You will leave a legacy of terror which for a moment lit up the hearts of the poor, uneducated and downtrodden Muslims of the world and then vanished in the caves of darkness and despair. You should have stuck to your original petty war against the Saudis and, perhaps, you would have brought some change for the better there. Instead, you brought wretchedness to proud but hungry and abused Afghans, with your empty slogans and your money and showed them a new hell where bombs and chocolates fall from the skies. We Muslims cannot keep blaming the West for all our ills. We have to first get our own house in order before we can even make any credible struggle possible to rid us of ignorance, living-in-the-past chest thumbing and intolerance of the modern world. Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) on returning from a battle, said: "We return from little jihad (jihad al-asghar) to greater jihad (jihad al-akbar)." True jihad today is not in the hijacking of planes but in the manufacturing of them. The embarrassment of wretchedness among us is beyond repair. It is not just the poverty, the illiteracy and the absence of any commonly accepted social contract that defines our sense of wretchedness; it is, rather, the increasing awareness among us that we have failed as a civil society by not confronting the historical, social and political demons within us. The social and political acquiescence to this condition by the vast majority of our people has given rise to cultural paralysis and a totally bogus interpretation of Islam based on self-serving political agendas. Without a reformation in the practice of Islam that makes it move forward and not backward, there is no hope for us Muslims anywhere. We have reduced Islam to the organised hypocrisy of state-sponsored mullahism. For more than a thousand years Islam has stood still because the mullahs, who became de facto clergy instead of genuine scholars, closed the door on ijtehad and no one came forward with a dynamic and evolving application of the message of the Holy Quran. All that the mullahs tell you today is how to go back a millennium and more. We have not been able to evolve a dynamic practice to bring Islam to the people in the language of their own specific era. Little wonder, therefore, that the bulk of our mullahs are illiterate in any modern or ancient sense of the word. They are simply illiterate. Period. Oxford and Cambridge were the 'madrasas' of Christendom in the 13th century. Look where they are today - among the leading institutions of education in the world. Where are our institutions of learning? The basis of ignorant mullahism issues from a fundamental debasement of the human being. Ours is an ongoing inquisition that thrives on ignorance and poverty. The pathetic ruling elites of the Muslim world remain trapped in their own abandonment of any knowledge about Islam. You cannot lead all of us to a barbaric social order and call it Islam. Most Muslims live in the dark ages already. The last thing they need is the growing darkness in your caves and the stale intellect that is anti-human and anti-progress. Go and read the Holy Quran again and again until you see what great dynamism and modernism the Almighty has given us through His Word. In verse 143 in Sura Al-Bacarah (the Cow), the Almighty says: "And thus have we willed you to be a community of the middle way." It is this God-ordained 'middle way' that we Muslims have lost. And we must find it in harmony with today's and tomorrow's hope for moderation and a better quality of life for us all. * I find that quotation from the Cow Suriah very intriguing, from what source have I heard the phrase the "Middle Way" coming from? regards Mars

To: uu who wrote (465)	11/10/2001 1:31:36 PM
From: Sultan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

How does Islam Explain This Behaviour this thug is genuinely following the teachings of Quran, and Islam What does this have to do with Islam.. And how pray any one reach this conclusion that this moron is genuinely following the teachings of anything.. I am a bit confused here.. Either you are saying that the likes of Iqbal Latif and his posts are hogwash and this Junaid is a representative Muslim for 1.2 billion people or you are just picking anything that reenforces the views you have already formed and anything Iqbal or any one says is totally immaterial.. The tone here seem to be like, "yeah yeah, that is all very nice, but I have made up my mind.. Don't confuse me with all the history and past civilizations and their contributions... etc. " If the story is genuine, then this guy seem a totally ungrateful, unpatriotic moron.. And I agree, a traitor.. Here he is a citizen of US, presumably taken oath like all citizens and he is breaking it.. I hope he gets whatever a traitor should get. But he is no different then any other American spys who worked for USSR or traitors who would betray their country for money or what ever belief that they had.. You would not then take the family of the man or the community that the man belong to and paint all of them as unpatriotic.. FWIW.. I got to say that because I am sure the above will been seen as not worth much..:o)