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To: Elmer who wrote (63326)	11/10/2001 11:46:34 AM
From: niceguy767	Respond to of 275872

Elmer: The spots don't change, I see...Once again, you are rationalizing in your own mind anyway, that the term Maniban can be construed as anything other than an insult (euphemistacally characterized) to Mani...and in exceedingly poor taste...It's not OK, ok...no matter how you twist the context!

To: Elmer who wrote (63326)	11/10/2001 12:15:43 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Elmer Re..I know Paul can he hard to take. No need to argue that one. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bingo. That is why Mani started this thread, so everyone would be courteous. Paul epitomises the exact opposite. To just put Paul on ignore would mean there are no rules about being courteous. If Paul can cuss and swear at everyone, why can't everyone else swear right back and at each other. Several weeks ago, I was banned for calling someone a bitch. You didn't see me, or any of my friends (I assume I have at least one here) start yelling about thought control, and all of those other terms you guys are coming up with. I complied with the ban, I am back, and I never once complained to Mani about how unfair it was. Why is it so different with Paul? To leave Paul continue posting, while abusing all of the rules, means you have no rules. That is why putting Paul on ignore doesn't solve the problem. It is clear to me that the only difference between ignoring Paul and banning Paul is to prevent others from reading his posts as well as yourselves. <<<<<<<<<< Huh??? We can't possibly stop Paul from posting his thoughts on the Intel thread or the regular AMD thread or any other thread on the internet. If I ever have an irresistable urge to read one of Pauls deep thoughts, I will go to one of them; just as you and everyone else here has that option. Besides, I am sure that if Paul comes up with a good one, one of the other Intel posters on this thread will repeat it. You can bet that if Tench were to say the exact same thing here, that Paul would have, twice as many AMDroids would have read it, and given it the respect it deserves, because Tench has always given and gotten respect. Paul gets no respect, because he never gives any respect.

To: Elmer who wrote (63326)	11/10/2001 12:31:30 PM
From: Mani1	Respond to of 275872

Elmer re <<your name is Mani and it was a ban so Mani-ban does not seem unreasonable>> OK, I get it (not being sarcastic). You meant it in a different way than I thought. Re <<In deference I will not use that term again when referring to you.>> OK, I appreciate that. Lets move on. Mani

To: Elmer who wrote (63326)	11/10/2001 12:46:20 PM
From: Gopher Broke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

This argument fails to stand up when you consider that the ignore feature would have completely solved the problem yet most refused to exercise it. The ignore feature does not work well, for a couple of reasons. If the person you have put on ignore is a participant in the discussion then the flow obviously gets interrupted if you ignore their input. It doesn't matter whether the input is supposed to be a positive contribution or a disruption, it is difficult to interpret the ensuing comments without reading the ignored text. So you end up reading most of it which destroys the object. Just look at how many people purport to have someone on ignore and yet obviously read their posts. The person you are ignoring may make a valid point. (Paul could make good points if he made an effort to be civil, unfortunately not enough to balance his crass behaviour.) If you ignore these points, and they do not then get repeated by someone else then you miss them. If the ignored person is banned instead, then other people will make the points. (Sure it is possible that some important points may be overlooked, but I tend to think that most things will still get raised, and in a more civil way.) On topic again. It now appears that Intel are selling out of the full range of P4s, both 423 and 478 pin varieties. You would think that bodes well for revenues - ASPs are not that bad. So why are some people shorting Intel right now - just short term trading? What about the risk of an upside announcement?

To: Elmer who wrote (63326)	11/10/2001 3:24:10 PM
From: muzosi	Respond to of 275872

This argument fails to stand up when you consider that the ignore feature would have completely solved the problem yet most refused to exercise it you know better than that yet you keep repeating that stupid statement. not only doesn't ignore solve the problem, it creates more. in case you don't know ignore is a si wide action. you can't ignore someone just on a single group. putting paul on ignore forces me to not be able to read what he posts on intel where he behaves himself almost like an adult even though he posts plenty athwiper statements there too. i didn't vote for the ban but for me it is the perfect solution so that i can take him off ignore and see what he has to say at intel and other groups.