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To: FaultLine who wrote (9775)	11/11/2001 12:44:00 AM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

President Bush said of the Northern Alliance, "We will encourage our friends to head south across the Shumali Plains, but not into the city of Kabul itself." The Americans want to withhold the rebels from installing a one-dimensional government. This brings again a question to mind that has already been there with the talk of keeping the Alliance out of Kabul. If we want to bring down the Taliban and/or control enough territory to really be able to go after Bin Ladin, how does that non-one-dimensional government get into Kabul without the Alliance doing it in terms of the ground war? Someone has to be on the ground, and they are doing the great bulk of that at this time. If there were not people starving and winter coming on it might not be such a deal. But they are and it is. Unless we, or the U.N., or the coalition want to sent in forces to take Kabul in the next week, it is time for the Alliance to do it, imo. And, yes, with the understanding of instituting decency towards the people in the town. How in the world could we think to keep them out of there? Unless we are willing to go in on the ground and do it ourselves. Let them take the city, and bring in the U.N. behind them. Now I'll read the other things you posted and see if I spoke too fast. :)

To: FaultLine who wrote (9775)	11/11/2001 3:25:25 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

we have killed a lot of Taliban soldiers. Tomorrow we will try again." .......... The dead littered the land between the lines, and the wounded streamed out on both sides.......... and had seen dead or retreating Taliban soldiers wherever he went......... "I watched them get out of the trenches and run in the other direction," he said, grinning. "That's when we killed most of them." Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company FL, how wonderful that the reporters and the new york times can quit bellyaching. i can sense the excitement in the newsrooms...finally, they have some blood to write about. but words do not adequately describe the ugly side of war. pictures barely do it justice, but they will be next. if we are really lucky we may get some film clips with sound and get to hear the unreal cries of people dying in acute pain. when i was younger, i thought that everyone should experience one good battle to get the feel of a fight to the death and to witness the tragic carnage of such a fight. i thought that would end war. i was wrong. humans are the bloodiest of all animals. unclewest