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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8595)	11/13/2001 8:34:32 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

I listened to reporters on the ground describing things after the Taliban fled. Afghani people sound pretty happy to see them gone. I see no reason to believe the reporters on the ground there are just making things up. Life will go on and there will continue to be problems but its clear the Taliban was so bad almost anything will be an improvement.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8595)	11/13/2001 9:29:41 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Eyewitness: The liberation of Kabul news.bbc.co.uk By John Simpson BBC world affairs editor It was just before dawn that the wild dash for Kabul developed, with thousands of Northern Alliance soldiers intent on capturing the capital. It seemed to take no time at all to cover the 20 kilometres (12 miles) or so to Kabul. But as we drew nearer to the city we could see the grim evidence of battle. The roads were littered with the bodies of former supporters of the Northern Alliance who had switched sides and joined the Taleban - no mercy for them. John Simpson and his BBC colleagues continued on foot By now there were no Taleban to resist, but we saw that another man had been captured by Northern Alliance troops. The presence of our camera probably saved his life - the man himself was paralysed with terror. Then came the critical moment. Would the Northern Alliance simply race on and pour into Kabul itself - even though they had undertaken not to? The commander in charge was determined not to let it happen - he ordered the armoured vehicles to block the way and the great advance was stopped in its tracks. The journey into Kabul Kabul lay temptingly close below us now. The small BBC team decided to head on into the city, on our own, and on foot - so no-one would think we were soldiers. We ploughed on - radio side-by-side with television. The local people were friendly and rejoicing As we walked into Kabul city we found no problems around us, only people that were friendly and, I am afraid, chanting "kill the Taleban" - although as we understand it there are not going to be that many Taleban around. It felt extraordinarily exhilarating - to be liberating a city which had suffered so much under a cruel and stifling regime. It was 0753 local time (0323 GMT) and Kabul was a free city, after five years of perhaps the most extreme religious system anywhere on earth. Revenge Under the Taleban, girls could not be educated, men could be whipped for shaving, all music was banned, it was forbidden to play chess, to sing, to possess a picture of any living creature. No wonder they were happy - this is the end of the Taleban in Afghanistan. The bodies of Taleban soldiers lay in the ditches But there was an ugly price to be paid for so much repression. In the streets, in the ditches, lay the bodies of foreign volunteers for the Taleban, especially Arabs and Pakistanis. The foreigners were particularly loathed and so they were killed - lynched and shot. In the surroundings of the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul we caught sight of a group of Arab and Pakistani Taleban trying to escape the vengeance of the people of Kabul. But a group of soldiers with guns were already hunting them down, as another arrived bringing grenades to flush them out. Brutal treatment They were surrounded and became trapped inside a building. Some local people had caught another one of the Taleban - an Arab - who was forced to call out to the others who were hiding, to make them come out and surrender. Captured Taleban are shown little mercy Eventually it worked and the Taleban soldiers were brought out of the building as prisoners - one was a Pakistani, the other an Arab. The Arab got particularly brutal treatment from his captors - being beaten with rifles and punched. They were placed in a jeep where they joined other Taleban prisoners - one an Arab, the others Afghhan

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8595)	11/14/2001 4:19:18 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Re: The Northern Alliance is no real improvement. Actually, Afghan wisdom is that the Northern Alliance is WORSE than the Talibans --as Pakis living in Brussels told me. Heck, ain't no surprise: the Northern Alliance is basically Russia'stooge in Afghanistan, made up of Uzbek, Tajik,... mercenaries. Since Russia is just a tottering Judeofascist bully, she can't help but spreading her fascistic plug-uglies throughout her Central Asian underbelly... Expect the Northern Alliance military to behave like its master (Chechnya) --but will Afghanistan's Pashtun majority (40%) accept a new Russian tyranny? Gus