re:JF, could you tell me a civil war in history which didn't have some atrocities happen?
No I can't but what does that have to do with my statement. I said Rummy said this morning he hadn't seen any evidence of atrocities....but they were in the morning papers... The point is everyone was expecting a blood bath and it appears to be happening....The NA is no better than the Taliban in this regard.... But why didn't Rummy fess up? Similarly the Pentagon is constantly telling us they don't know what's going on on the front lines and are waiting for confirmation...that's BS ...they are the first to know. Adn they wouldn't let American journalists go to the front lines initially, they may be now but most on site coverage I've seen is by foreign reporters.
re:No one can say the worldwide free press (including America's) isn't giving us a picture of what is happening inside Afghanistan.
That's the contradiction with you guys.....When our own press wanted to cover the story, you all argued that it providing propaganda and may be revealing delicated intelligence to the enemy. Hell, we weren't even allowed to see bin Laden's video. The rest of the world did but we didn't .
re:Why doesn't ABC, NBC, CNN or CBS? I'll tell you why..
No, I'll tell you why....because they weren't allowed in there by the Taliban......the closest we could get was Pakistan and we aren't too welcome there. Here's a link for you on this subject:
nytimes.com
In Pakistan, It's Jihad 101
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[P] ESHAWAR, Pakistan
You need only spend an afternoon walking through the Storytellers' Bazaar here in Peshawar, a few miles from the Afghan border, to understand that America needs to do its business in Afghanistan ? eliminate Osama bin Laden and his Taliban pro tectors ? as quickly as possible and get out of here. This is not a neighborhood where we should linger. This is not Mr. Rogers's neighborhood.
What makes me say that? I don't know, maybe it was the street vendor who asked me exactly what color Osama bin Laden T-shirt I wanted ? the yellow one with his picture on it or the white one simply extolling him as the hero of the Muslim nation and vowing "Jihad Is Our Mission." (He was doing a brisk business among the locals.) Or maybe it was the wall poster announcing: Call this phone number if you want to join the "Jihad against America." Or maybe it was all the Urdu wall graffiti reading "Honor Is in Jihad" and "The Alliance Between the Hunood [Indians] and Yahood [Jews] Is Unacceptable." Or maybe it was the cold stares and steely eyes that greeted the obvious foreigner. Those eyes did not say "American Express
accepted here." They said "Get lost."
Welcome to Peshawar. Oh, and did I mention? This is Pakistan ? these guys are on our side. Fat chance. This whole region of northwest Pakistan is really just an extension of Afghanistan, dominated by the same ethnic Pashtuns that make up the Taliban. This is bin Laden land. This is not a region where America is going to sink any friendly roots. In part it's because the Pashtuns here all, understandably, side with their brothers in Afghanistan; in part it's because they were jilted once before by the Americans ? after the U.S. just dropped Pakistan like a used hanky once the Soviets left Afghanistan. But most important, it's because of the education system here.
On the way into Peshawar I stopped to visit the Darul Uloom Haqqania, the biggest madrasa, or Islamic school, in Pakistan, with 2,800 live-in students ? all studying the Koran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad with the hope of becoming mullahs, or spiritual leaders. I was allowed to sit in on a class with young boys, who sat on the floor, practicing their rote learning of the Koran from holy texts perched on wooden holders. This was the core of their studies. Most will never be exposed to critical thinking or modern subjects.
It was at once impressive and disquieting. It was impressive because the madrasas provide room, board, education and clothing for thousands of Pakistani boys ? who would otherwise be left out on the streets because of the gradual collapse of Pakistan's secular, state education system. In 1978 there were 3,000 madrasas in Pakistan; today there are 39,000. It was disquieting because their almost entirely religious curriculum was designed by the Mogul emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir, who died in 1707. There was one shelf of science books in the library ? largely from the 1920's.
The air in the Koran class was so thick and stale you could have cut it into blocks and sold it like ice. A sign on the wall said this room was "A gift of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia." The teacher asked an 8-year-old boy to chant a Koranic verse for us, which he did with the beauty and elegance of an experienced muezzin. What did it mean? It was a famous verse: "The faithful shall enter paradise and the unbelievers shall be condemned to eternal hellfire."
I asked one of the students, an Afghan refugee, Rahim Kunduz, age 12, what his reaction was to the Sept. 11 attacks, and he said: "Most likely the attack came from Americans inside America. I am pleased that America has had to face pain, because the rest of the world has tasted its pain." And his view of Americans generally? "They are unbelievers and do not like to befriend Muslims and they want to dominate the world with their power."
The Darul Uloom Haqqania madrasa is famous because the Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, once attended it, as did many other top Taliban figures. Mullah Omar never graduated, our guide explained, "but we gave him an honorary degree anyway, because he left to do jihad and to create a pristine Islamic government."
As we were leaving, my Pakistani friend asked the school's rector a question he had posed to me, which I couldn't answer: How come Americans are so good at selling Coke and McDonald's to people all over the world, but can't sell their policies?
"Because their policies are poisonous and their Coke is sweet," said Moulana Samiul Haq.
I am all for reviewing our policies, but only the Pakistanis can rebuild their schools so they meld modernity, Islam and pluralism. Bin Laden is a sideshow, but one we must deal with. The real war for peace in this region, though, is in the schools. Which is why we must do our military operation against bin Laden quickly and then get out of here. When we return, and we must, we have to be armed with modern books and schools ? not tanks. Only then might we develop a new soil ? a new generation as hospitable to our policies as to our burgers.
Until then, nothing pro-American will grow here. |
