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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8713)	11/14/2001 5:04:27 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 23908

So, somebody had the idea of an Arab Palestine, she whispers. How do you know that the Mufti wanted to create a fascist state or is that a projection? The fact that the Mufti was a Nazi and great admirer of Hitler did give me the idea that he favored fascism. Silly of me I know. The term "Arab refugees from Palestine" smells of a phrase originating from the Israeli government Not at all; check the contemporary sources. (It's always important to check contemporary sources) The term was used by the British, by the UN, by NGOs, it was the accepted term. In fact, before the establishment of the State of Israel, "Palestinian" had been used as a term for the Zionists, not the Arabs. In 1948, the ex-Mufti was totally discredited (most Nazis were at the time), and there was no Palestinian nationalist movement to speak of. The Palestinian nationalist movement did not reorganize itself until the creation of the PLO in 1964. My position is that both the Zionists and the PLO are playing the same game, ultimately started by the Zionists in the late 1800s In the sense that both the Zionist movement and the PLO are nationalist movements, this is true. The Zionist movement just had a real history to fall back on and didn't need to invent one out of whole cloth, since there used to be a real state called Judea and the Jewish attachment to the Holy Land, and presence in it, has been continuous and deep. The Zionist movement is also much older than the Palestinian nationalist movement. There never was a country called Arab Palestine until the British Mandate. There was a province of southern Syria called Palestine, whose people called themselves Syrians and Arabs or Jews. So Arafat has had to invent the country Palestine and its history. I'm not saying that the Palestinian national movement doesn't exist now. I'm just asking you to separate historical facts from propaganda. What's particularly perverse about the Oslo process was that just as the Israelis started to recognize the Palestinian nationalist movement, the Palestinians decided to revert to maximalism and to stop recognizing the Zionist nationalist movement. Thus the complete denial of Jewish history in Israel. It's not helpful to negotiations when you start gratuitously insulting your opponents.