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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (202894)	11/14/2001 10:20:22 PM
From: SecularBull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Please expand on what you mean by "our own Taliban". ~SB~

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (202894)	11/15/2001 12:37:33 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

You know J F it just seems that all over the world there is sure a whole lot of hate. Kind of like the hate you have for anything that our Government does now that a political party that you disagree with is running things. Thomas Friedman finds it "impressive" that young boys are given food and shelter at the Darul Uloom Haqqania the biggest Madrasa in Pakistan. Mr Friedman finds it disquieting that a "fortunate young boy" could be included in teachings that leave him with this lesson: "I asked one of the students, an Afghan refugee, Rahim Kunduz, age 12, what his reaction was to the Sept. 11 attacks, and he said: "Most likely the attack came from Americans inside America. I am pleased that America has had to face pain, because the rest of the world has tasted its pain." And his view of Americans generally? "They are unbelievers and do not like to befriend Muslims and they want to dominate the world with their power." I just really don't think the correct adjective should be "disquieting". How about outrageous? What kind of screwed up teachers do they have over there that are encouraged to teach such hate? I think it would be in the worlds best interest to get rid of these so called teachers. Here's your answer to the bloodbath, perpetrated by those horrible NA freedom fighters, you claim is taking place in Afghanistan nytimes.com Now if you refer to the "pickup trucks full of bodies" that "left the smoldering base" at Badam Bagh tank base that was bombed two weeks ago as a "bloodbath", well isn't that the risks one takes when they choose to go to war? That old adage "War is hell" applies here, don't you think? Are you angry and accuse our government of creating this so called "bloodbath"? If so would you suggest another solution to handle those that wish us dead? You know, those guys that are on the side of OBL and Al Queda. The ones that have promised to kill all of the Americans. The ones that attacked our shore, killed 5000+ innocent people and totally destroyed our buildings with our airplanes turned into multi ton bombs? And here we thought the daisy buster was awesome. But heaven forbid we kill any of those guys. We might generate more hate. But you see many Americans have lost sight of that very fact. Either that or they just cannot grasp the concept that there are some very very hateful people in the ME that want to KILL ALL AMERICANS. (Don't know how much clearer the message could be?) All that food we have been dropping into Afghanistan is just a ruse. Those that have rejoiced at their liberation in the cities of Afghanistan still hate Americans but they can't argue that because we did what we did, they are free from the most regressive regime on earth. Yea! I can see the hate all over their faces. You know another thing? There is so much hate in this world J F. that no matter who we help, who we liberate, send money to, buy goods from, send medical supplies and assistance, books, farm aid, peace corp volunteers, technology and our finest young people who are willing to put their lives on the line in their determination to defend freedom, we will just create more hate among their enemies for helping them in the first place. So....... as an American I say tough! A silly little thing like hate will not stop America because we know that hate is the true enemy. Just look at the unidentified American(read coward) that just yesterday accused one of his own countryman of acting like the Taliban, simply because he wasn't getting his way. Now that is hate. America and Americans that don't hate, can only teach tolerance and lend a hand to those who don't have an opportunity to learn it including it's own citizens. M

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (202894)	11/15/2001 2:53:38 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Australian perspective: From The Sydney Morning Herald US agents told: Back off bin Ladens US special agents were told to back off the bin Laden family and the Saudi royals soon after George Bush became president, although that has allchanged since September 11, it was reported today. And the BBC2's Newsnight program also said the younger George Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by the >chief US representative of Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, who took over as head of the family after his father Mohammed's death in a plane crash in 1968. The program said it had secret documents from the FBI investigation into the terror attacks on New York and Washington which showed that despite the myth that Osama is the black sheep of the family, at least two other American-based members of it are suspected of links with a possible terrorist organisation. The program said it had obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of bin Laden family members living in the US after, and even before,September 11. A document showed that special agents from the Washington field office >were investigating Abdullah, a close relative of Osama, because of his >relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), a suspected terrorist organisation, it said. The program said it had found where he used to live with another close relative, Omar, also an FBI suspect, in Falls Church, Virginia, a suburb of Washington. The house was conveniently close to WAMY, it said, and just a couple of blocks down the road was a place listed by four of the alleged hijackers as their address. The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and insists it is a charity, the program said, yet Pakistan had expelled WAMY "operatives" and India claimed WAMY was The FBI did look into WAMY, but for some reason agents were pulled off the trail, it said. The program has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between >the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis, it said. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah from 1987 to 1989, Michael Springman, told the program: "In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. "People who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained there. I complained here in Washington to Main State, to the inspector-general and to Diplomatic Security and I was ignored." He added: "What I was doing was giving visas to terrorists - recruited by >the CIA and Osama bin Laden to come back to the United States for training to be used in the war in Afghanistan against the then Soviets." The US wanted to keep the pro-American Saudi royal family in control of the world's biggest oil spigot, even at the price of turning a blind eye to any terrorist connection - so long as America was safe, the program said. The program said the younger George Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by the chief US representative of Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, who took over as head of the family after his father Mohammed's death in a plane crash in 1968. Young George also received fees as director of a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little-known private company which in just a few years of its founding has become one of America's biggest defence contractors, and his father, Bush Senior, is also a paid adviser, the program said. And it became embarrassing when it was revealed that the bin Ladens held stake in Carlyle, sold just after September 11, it added. The program said it had been told by a highly-placed source in a US intelligence agency that there had always been "constraints" on investigating Saudis, but under President Bush it had become much worse. After the elections, the intelligence agencies were told to "back off" from investigating the bin Laden family and the Saudi royals, and that angered field agents, the program added. The policy was reversed after September 11, it reported. The program was told by FBI headquarters that it could not comment on its findings. A spokesman reportedly said: "There are lots of things that only the intelligence community knows and that no one else ought to know."