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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bilow who wrote (19992)	11/15/2001 8:10:38 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Another pro-id post without a single POSITIVE reason for me to be in favor of it. Still against until shown a reason to be in favor.

To: Bilow who wrote (19992)	11/15/2001 10:21:28 AM
From: Selectric II	Respond to of 59480

Of course, you're right if "card" means "any card." To rent a car, some kind of ID is needed -- usually a d.l. and credit card, I think. They might need to obtain those documents, by hook or crook for that. But is renting a car in itself that great a danger? For a hotel room, who cares? Whose business is it when somebody rents a hotel room? The left and right, from Clinton anti-"sex police," Libertarians, to conservatives, and everybody in between ought to join hands on this one. We need to focus on protecting our BORDERS to prevent terrorists from entering the country in the first place, and being able to track foreign nationals -- probably by making them check in with INS on a routine basis. Screening people who come here to visit, work, and study. That's where the emphasis needs to be, rather than branding, classifying, trailing, and watching every U.S. citizen in order to weed out an undesirable few. Once they're here, they can enjoy our freedoms subject to periodic follow-up (I hate to analogize it to "parole" but you catch my drift). I've heard a couple of people on radio and t.v. advocating a national i.d. card, saying, "Well, other post-industrial nations have them". Unbelievable. As soon as anybody raises that argument for anything, my antennae shoot up. First, despite their exhortations, none of them who I've heard has come close to articulating how a national i.d. card system, without "other necessary and possibly sufficient" action would have prevented 9.11, or how it could prevent another one. Far less restrictive steps without a national i.d. card could be employed to protect our security interests. Second, this is America, which prides itself as first in freedom and liberty. We set the way for the rest of the world in these values. Using other less-free countries as an example as an argument for reducing our privacy and freedoms is hardly valid, in my view.