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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (37015)	11/15/2001 5:03:54 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Who cares when life begins? If you can raise a child in a test tube from insemination it still doesn't (for many of us) take away the reason to give rights to women to terminate pregnancies they do not want. If you want to define two cells as a "life" and say they can survive outside the mother, it wouldn't make the least bit of difference to me. The point of survival is a non-issue for us. I do not believe anyone is arguing about when "life" begins (except you). It simply doesn't matter to some of us.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (37015)	11/15/2001 6:09:45 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

No, JC, what I am telling you is that your statement that women were not "facing up to" certain issues of life and death, and that "women only protect the rights of children-after they are born" were not especially accurate and had a lot of condescension in them, as if we had never given any thought to the matter. I was careful not to say how I felt personally about this issue because I so strongly believe that it is a personal one. We are grappling with two different concepts here. One is moral and one is legal. It would have been legal for Jake's parents to have aborted him at 4 1/2 months but it would have been their decision and theirs alone to make from the moral standpoint. No one was going to MAKE them abort or conversely NOT abort based on a moral belief they may not share. The story of Jake seems to me irrelevant. FOr me, the issue lies not with what the decision is, but to whom the decision belongs. If at 4 1/2 months, Jake's parents were told that their child would be defective in some way and they decided that they absolutely could not go through with the pregnancy, that should be their choice and theirs alone. Do people make decisions about this with which I disagree? All the time. But they owe neither me nor you an explanation nor "evidence" to justify their decision. Thankfully, at this time, the law agrees.