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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (10562)	11/16/2001 3:33:20 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

Those Media Awards are pretty good, though the fat lady hasn't sung yet. They don't call them bedwetting liberals for nothing, do they?

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (10562)	11/16/2001 4:08:55 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi blandbutmarvellous; Great post. -- Carl

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (10562)	11/16/2001 4:23:50 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 281500

Goofs......

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (10562)	11/16/2001 4:42:18 PM
From: tekboy	Respond to of 281500

you're too easy on the neocons--they have some of the most egg on their faces of all... Two sample nominees: Charles Krauthammer, October 30 "The war is not going well. The Taliban have not yielded ground. Not a single important Taliban leader has been killed, or captured or has defected. On the contrary. The Taliban have captured and executed our great Pashtun hope, Abdul Haq. The Joint Chiefs express surprise at the tenacity of the enemy. The war is not going well and it is time to say why. It has been fought with half-measures. It has been fought with an eye on the wishes of our "coalition partners." It has been fought to assuage the Arab "street." It has been fought to satisfy the diplomats rather than the generals. washingtonpost.com William Kristol, October 30 "SEVEN WEEKS after being attacked, three weeks after beginning the bombing of Afghanistan and since the discovery of anthrax here at home, how goes the war? According to plan, the administration says. Unfortunately, it's a flawed plan. The administration's plan is shaped by three (self-imposed) constraints: No ground troops in Afghanistan; No confrontation with Iraq; No alarm at home. The result? No evident progress so far. Isn't "so far" the key qualifier, though? After all, we're told, we have to be patient. And of course we should be--if patience is in the service of sound strategy. But patience can also be an excuse for not re-thinking a failing strategy, for not doing difficult things we should be doing. Patience can be a form of denial. And in war, denial is dangerous. So let's stop denying some painful truths. We probably cannot win the war in Afghanistan without ground troops. Bombing--very heavy bombing--wasn't enough to defeat Saddam in 1991, and only the threat (finally) of ground troops brought Milosevic to yield in 1999. Hostile regimes tend not to succumb to air power alone--especially when the use of air power is itself constrained by diplomatic considerations, as it has been in Afghanistan. And the fall of the Taliban regime is the indispensable first step to routing bin Laden and his network. " weeklystandard.com tb@attentionmustbepaid.com