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To: paul_philp who wrote (10570)	11/16/2001 4:11:53 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

Maybe I can't do it, but I can believe I should do it. Different things. Let's backtrack for a moment. The issue arose when unclewest wrote "American soldiers will not follow an immoral leader to lunch much less to war. we must fight all attempts to lower our moral standards just as we fight those who attack us with weapons." Message 16666867 Poet replied "What do you mean when you say "moral"? The Old Testament morality? New Testament morality? Pre Viet Nam war morality? Who will judge and legislate this moral scale? " Message 16667095 Rollcast responded "Why dont we just begin with simple stuff like... Lying is wrong (even about sex). Lying under oath is a crime. Rape is a crime." siliconinvestor.com Eventually we came to Rollcast and I agreeing "Basic right and wrong isn't subject to semantics." Message 16670173 But then I asked "But, the question remains, what IS basic right and wrong, who defines it, and is there ANY definition of right and wrong that the world universally would agree on? " Message 16670268 You replied "Thou shalt not tell me what is right and wrong." But I pointed out that IMO the world would NOT agree on that as a definition of right and wrong. If we are ever to have a peaceful world, which is a goal that at least some people believe is desirable (some others believe that constant warfare is an integral and, indeed, necesary part of the human condition) then we need to have at least some shared agreement on what is right and wrong. Not that every single person will agree, that will never happen, but that all major societies, cultures, nations, religions, would agree on. Something we can start with to build a "just" world society. Whatever a "just" world society may be.