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To: Poet who wrote (10622)	11/16/2001 10:22:56 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Morality is a common recognition of the difference between right and wrong, widely and broadly shared by most people, even those who don't share the same religious faith, and even those who profess no faith at all. If you don't choose to recognize unclewest, individually, as a moral authority, that's fine, but it strikes me that what he is saying is in fact true: our nation would not support a war if we perceived it was being fought for purposes we collectively deemed immoral. And it is our collective sense of morality as much as anything else that has made our nation strong and keeps it strong: the sense that everyone is entitled to a fair shake in life and the fruits of their own labor so long as they follow commonly agreed upon rules and predictable norms of behavior (not stealing, not killing, being trustworthy and fundamentally honest, etc.). I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

To: Poet who wrote (10622)	11/17/2001 3:38:06 AM
From: ratan lal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

American soldiers will not follow an immoral leader to lunch much less to war. Unclewest is WRONG ! They HAVE TO follow or be subject to court martial. Was Vietnam a moral war? Why did so many soldiers follow that immoral leader and the war to their death? much of our strength is rooted in our system of moral values Sure. Like the senators who accept money from lobbyists and pass laws in their favor like the tobbaco industry and NRA? Morals and morality are very tough subjects since they are subjective both in terms of relativity and time. What was moral yesterday could become, by definition, immoral today or vice versa. There are generally accpeted prinicples of accounting and we know very well how they can be fudged. Just imagine what can be done with morality for which there is no genrally accepted definition.

To: Poet who wrote (10622)	11/17/2001 5:16:57 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"This does not, IMO, give you moral authority." ROTFLMAO i assure you that you are the first to label me as a moral authority. 2 days ago i was a military expert...now i am a moral authority...please don't tell anyone. "You slided easily" have you been drinking? Poet, many here cannot tell a sergeant from a sergeant major, a major from a lieutenant colonel, a howitzer from a tank, or a C141 from a C5A yet they have opinions about the military and morals. i take it you are you saying that because i can tell the difference between all that military stuff; it makes me too different, so i am not allowed to have an opinion about morals. i do not accept that. i am a mere mortal and imperfect human being...but i already promised to try to improve my segues...what else can i do? shall we change the music for a while?...this dance is getting old. uw ps. how was that for a segue? pps. i can't wait to find out what i am today.