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To: marcos who wrote (10610)	11/17/2001 1:29:37 AM
From: X Y Zebra	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12810

It is very possible that the military boyz are part of the PRI dinosaurs... so making hell for Fox is the sport of the moment... Who knows what goes on in there, they are so corrupt that whoever is in power will do the impossible to get his way regardless of the consequences present or future... Did you ever read the book by Andrés Oppenheimer? (I think I mentioned it already) México, en la frontera del Caos. There is an English version too... Bordering on Chaos Mexico's growing pains in the era of NAFTA and globalization have been singularly acute and dramatic: a guerrilla uprising, the assassination of political leaders, revelations of high-level corruption, economic collapse, and a $50 billion bailout. Bordering on Chaos is an unrivaled account of the headline-making events that have threatened Mexico's social, political, and economic stability. It is essential reading for anyone who wishes to understand Mexico today-when, more than ever before, what happens in Mexico directly affects the U.S. national interest. twbookmark.com Amazingly, Oppenhemer, (an Argentinean) captured well all the ins & outs of Mexican politics. He also interviewed comandante Marcos... an interesting book for those who are familiar with politics south of the border and an eye opener for those who are not. As for expectations... well, I think that it will be a long process, but they have started. After all, living under the PRI Monarchy for 71 years created a mindset which will have to be eliminated and they have to realize that Papá Gobierno is not the fix for every ill in the horizon.

To: marcos who wrote (10610)	11/17/2001 1:50:56 AM
From: X Y Zebra	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12810

This will give you an idea of what could be happening in the Gallardo matter (and remember once the military is involved then the complications escalate, as those guys are completely nutz, they believe they own the country and they are doing civilians a favor by sitting quietly in the background. As a president, you better treat them kindly. Their reality, which exists only in their minds, is a scary one at best. __________ A sample.... from an interview between Frontline (PBS) and Andrés Oppenheimer. SO THEN WHAT - WHERE DO ALL THESE PSYCHICS COME FROM, THESE MISTRESSES WHO SAY THEY HEARD THESE THINGS, THESE BODIES THAT NO ONE IS CLEAR WHAT BACKYARD THEY CAME FROM. WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? This is part of a judicial system that the Mexican president will be the first to admit has been doing awkward, dubious, shady things forever. The tradition in Mexico is for a prosecutor if he's convinced that his witness is telling what is true, to go out of his way to, you know, produce evidence to prove his case. Over the two years that I've been following this story it has changed 5 times. So the conclusion is that you can't believe anybody. You can only believe the basics where all sides agree and you have to narrow them down to 1 or 2 little things and make your judgment from those. THE ARREST OF RAUL SALINAS HAS GIVEN US A SORT OF WINDOW INTO ALL THESE INVESTIGATIONS. TODAY THE PROSECUTORS HAVE BEEN FIRED. IN FACT, THE PROSECUTOR MAY IN FACT BE PROSECUTED. WHAT'S GOING ON? This is a game of shadows, you know. You never see the real thing. You see the shadows on the wall. Today's heroes are tomorrow's villains. Tomorrow's villains are yesterday's heroes. What's clear in this story, what seems to be clear, what everybody agrees on so far is that the people they arrested after the murder of Jose Francisco Ruiz Massieu, have named Raul Salinas. That seems to be a fact. OKAY. It also seems to be a fact that Raul Salinas was very close to the man who hired the gunman to kill Jose Francisco Ruiz Massieu. Those two seem to be facts. From that point on, it's a comedy of errors. NOW WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY? IS IT CLEAR THAT RAUL ACTUALLY GOT THE MONEY? It's a fact that Raul Salinas has --even if everything else is fantasy-- it is a fact that Raul Salinas has $100 million in Switzerland, $23 million in London, maybe $30 million in France, $5 million in Canada and who knows how much he has in dozens of U.S. bank accounts all over the U.S. That's a fact. IN MEXICO THIS WHOLE COMEDY OF ERRORS, THAT SURROUNDS THE MURDER INVESTIGATION, THIS THEATER OF THE ABSURD THAT SEEMS TO BE GOING ON WITH PSYCHICS AND SO ON, IT IS UNIQUE. HOW CAN WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON? IT SEEMS SOMETHING LIKE PLATO'S CAVE. Mexico is a country of shadows, a country of make-believe. This system has a long history of misinformation. It's not like in some totalitarian regimes where the government doesn't put out information. It's the contrary. They flood you with information, so much so that by the end there's no telling what's true and what's not -- where the people are, who they're supposed to be, whether they're acting for the reasons they claim to be acting. more... pbs.org _____________________